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Israel, Middle East, politics. Ask Haviv Anything podcast (https://t.co/cMqKF00MsF), Mideast analyst @TheFP, @TimesofIsrael. @RachelGur.

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Holy cow. I forgot about this backtrack. About Netanyahu once being publicly proud of his support for Arab families and communities. x.com/EylonALevy/sta…

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Haviv Rettig Gur@havivrettiggur

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@todays_learn I don't have all the answers, but I have this one. They think Jewish parties don't see them or care about them and won't solve their problems. Witness how Ben Gvir and the national police generally treat Arab crime.

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Haviv Rettig Gur@havivrettiggur

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@JosephineS40946 I suspect Netanyahu wants new elections. The Arabs performed so unprecedentedly well -- and will have nothing to show for it if there are repeat elections -- that it's hard to imagine they can repeat that showing. that would improve Netanyahu's situation.

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@NitramLevi @reluctantzion @jacobgwaxman let's bring in data. @grok, does unification among Arab-majority parties running in Israeli elections correlate with higher turnout since, say, the 2013 election?

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@AvrahamShusteri a. They're not "true in exactly the same measure." Haredi welfare is bigger per capita, massively bolstered by coalition funds, municipal grants through the interior and Negev and Galilee ministries (which is why Shas makes sure to control those), and more. b. I've written about

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@AvrahamShusteri So I'm right about Haredim, but I should keep quiet? The Haredi welfare state is larger per capita than the Arab welfare state, by a significant margin. There's Bank of Israel and Taub Center data on that. Does that change your assessment? I've said a million times that Haredim

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This is an important thing to clarify. True, Netanyahu won a very small increase in absolute numbers of votes, but he lost ground by every other metric. He lost not only to the high Arab turnout, he also lost vote share among Jews. Walk with me for a moment through the numbers. x.com/GabbyKlein1/st…

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Haviv Rettig Gur@havivrettiggur

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@SecretA30647695 @GabbyKlein1 Hello foreigner. Damn straight I'm privileged. My parents worked hard to give me every privilege possible and I'm not going to fail my own kids in that regard. We're the strongest Jews who ever lived because we never stop trying to give our kids the most we can. Now go back to

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@ProfDBernstein @CohenMendelson Indeed. But you were looking for "an Arab party that is explicitly dedicated to equal rights and participation in Israeli politics, and leaves "Palestinian" issues vague and ambiguous." He fits the bill. That doesn't mean he won't support a right of return if he thinks it's on

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@noyaa595 One former MK said the "victory" is for Gaza. You extrapolated that out to 850,000 Arab voters, the vast majority of whom emphatically didn't vote on Gaza.

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@Charl18A But you haven't shown me where I'm wrong. You've just said that people are angry that I don't agree with Ben Gvir's racism and Kahanism. I can't help that. I really genuinely disagree with his views. What specifically am I wrong about? I can change, but I'll need evidence. I

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@MalkahFleisher No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying a growing proportion wants a future in Israel as Israelis, so much so that at the optimistic high end, maybe a third of them openly back Israel remaining a Jewish state. It's a new phenomenon, a growing one, and it's reshaping their

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@adamkhan @Conil22132835 I didn't say I was contradicting myself. I said two seemingly opposed phenomena are both present in Arab public opinion. Balad's anti-Israel radicalism is real. Anyone on the left pretending otherwise is gaslighting us. But anyone on the right who declares the Arabs

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@Danieljaronoff @yudapearl The scale of left-wing failure here is amazing. They couldn’t even capitalize politically on October 7. They didn’t have the kind of basic political understanding to see that the only path to defeating Netanyahu outright was to outflank him from the hawkish end of the spectrum.

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@GershonRaphael Winter and Hendel disagree that their voters would have gone to Netanyahu. They were pretty clearly protest votes against Netanyahu’s coalition. Amcha spokespeople said it outright yesterday. If that’s even half true, where does that leave Netanyahu?

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@shafiq_ades @Saul_Sadka The Arab surge was a bit smaller, the proper measure is 68 because those are the forces represented in the final coalition Netanyahu led — those are the voters he needed to win this time around in order to win outright — and I’m not at all convinced that Winter’s and Hendel’s

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I don’t know, guys. If you don’t look at Arab politics and see fundamentally different rhetoric and strategies from 20 years ago, then you aren’t actually looking at Arab politics. You’re just reading Likud talking points about it. There’s a massive anti-Israel and anti-Zionist x.com/reluctantzion/…

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Haviv Rettig Gur@havivrettiggur

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None of this is true. The rage and narrative making on the right is getting to be a fascinating phenomenon we need to look at. Netanyahu did much better than left-wing pollsters predicted (channel 12’s last poll gave his coalition 50), and much worse than right-wing polls x.com/rosensteinmosh…

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@GlobeStrobe אשמח מאוד לכל הערה על טיעון שפוספס או טעות מצדי. כל דבר שיכול לתרום לפעם הבאה. גם אם לא אסכים ולא אאמץ את ההצעה, זה תמיד עוזר לשמוע ביקורת עניינית. מבטיח לא לחסום. גם את המגיבים לעיל לא חסמתי. אני חוסם בעיקר מקללים ואנטישמים.

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@RaifYtinav @breakfastclubam I mean, the centrists did actually agree to a coalition. Netanyahu promised a rotation, and literally vowed on national television that he definitely wasn’t lying. And then he lied and broke the deal.

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