Transcript [00:00] What Donald Trump did was he came in as [00:04] the big disruptor, as the uncontrollable [00:07] president, which is why they had to [00:09] destroy him. [00:09] >> It took me $105 to fill up my tank two [00:13] days ago. [00:13] >> And what are we doing embracing the [00:16] enemy as in Zoran Mani and these Islamop [00:19] fascists? [00:20] >> What is your sense on what's coming this [00:22] election? [00:29] I honestly I don't even know where to [00:30] start with you because there is so much [00:32] going on and you you know you have a [00:35] handle on a little bit of everything. [00:38] >> Um I guess I I want to start with uh [00:44] I guess I I want to start with with all [00:46] of the things that are in the news. the [00:48] election, um El Say uh France on fire, [00:55] every everything that is going on, it [00:57] just seems like a lesson of don't go in [00:58] that direction. Um but I'm not sure if [01:01] we are. I'm seeing polls now that are [01:03] showing that maybe it's closer than we [01:06] thought, like within one point with him. [01:08] Uh the Hispanics seem to be coming back [01:11] to the Republicans. It's the latest poll [01:13] I saw earlier this week. What is your [01:16] sense on what's coming this election? [01:18] Where are we? [01:19] >> Yeah, I mean just on a pure gut [01:22] instinct, I feel that things were pretty [01:25] dire couple of weeks ago and that [01:29] Republican morale hit rock bottom and [01:32] since then there's been a bit of a [01:34] reality check and people kind of shaking [01:36] their heads and going, "What are we [01:39] thinking of?" You know, let the perfect [01:41] be the enemy of the good. Um, and there [01:44] have been a few good economic [01:45] indicators. The president's been out on [01:48] the campaign trail doing rallies. Uh, [01:51] Scott Bessant's been doing his usual [01:53] miraculous job of soothing uh, financial [01:57] worries. And, um, it looks as if things [02:00] are starting to the sort of building [02:03] blocks of a campaign, [02:06] if not victory, at least not a route, [02:08] are are starting to come into place. And [02:12] um at the same time [02:14] I look even the you know we talk about [02:17] events overseas but I think even that um [02:21] Air Dubai [02:23] near 911 disaster that was rescued by [02:27] these heroes [02:28] >> even that obviously it plays into [02:32] Netanyahu's [02:33] uh election which is at the end of [02:35] October but also in a way it just [02:39] reminds everybody about the dangers. It [02:41] reminds everybody of 9/11 of who the [02:44] enemy is and what are we doing embracing [02:47] the enemy as in Zoran Mani and these [02:50] Islamop fascists. [02:53] >> So, so let me go there because El say he [02:56] Barack Obama is going to campa Barack [02:58] Obama put his sister on the terror watch [03:01] list and now Barack Obama is going to go [03:04] campaign with him. [03:05] >> How is that? First of all, that has to [03:08] be just math. Barack, we need you. We're [03:12] not going to win this without you [03:14] getting, you know, Detroit. Is that how [03:17] you read why he's going out? Cuz h how [03:20] is that even possible? [03:22] >> 100%. El Say's problem, as you saw in [03:25] the primaries, is he doesn't get the [03:28] black vote. They don't like him. He [03:30] might be able to get every Muslim in [03:32] Dearbornne to get out and vote for him, [03:35] but he's not liked by black workingass, [03:39] you know, the sort of Democrat classic [03:42] base supposedly. Um, so he needs Barack [03:45] Obama. [03:46] >> Can Obama bridge that? [03:48] >> Uh, I mean, he's the great black hope, [03:51] isn't he? But he didn't really help [03:53] Camela Harris last time. And I feel like [03:56] he's regarded certainly I regard him [03:59] this way as he's certainly no man of the [04:02] people if he's ever been one and he's [04:03] increasingly out of touch and sort of ee [04:06] and elitist. So I'm not sure how that'll [04:11] go. It may swing some votes but there is [04:14] a real mistrust between uh blacks and [04:17] the Muslims who've moved into [04:19] communities. I mean you see it all the [04:21] time. uh you know I mean they're [04:23] hardworking Muslim immigrants uh but [04:26] they buy the bedas in the areas that [04:28] black people frequent and and put up the [04:31] prices and don't abide shoplifting or [04:34] whatever. So there's just this this this [04:37] sort of negative vibe that happens in [04:40] suburbs where there is a big Muslim [04:42] influx. So um I think it's a real [04:45] problem and I'm not sure that Barack [04:46] Obama is going to fix that for him. But [04:48] it does show a certain amount of um [04:51] desperation. Pull out your trump card, [04:53] so to speak. [04:55] >> If if you had to concentrate on two [04:57] problems, the Islamist [05:01] um growth here in America and its [05:04] growing influence or the Marxist growing [05:08] influence, which one is bigger and more [05:11] severe? [05:14] Well, I mean, it's hard to extricate one [05:16] from the other because they they've [05:18] formed this unholy alliance, the, you [05:21] know, red green alliance. And you see [05:23] this all around the world where you've [05:25] got these socialist kids on campuses uh [05:29] wearing kafir and saying free Palestine. [05:31] It's [05:32] >> it's just a juicy cause for them to get [05:35] their teeth into because there really [05:36] isn't anything for communists to [05:39] complain about in America because every [05:42] you know Donald Trump particularly is uh [05:44] such a populist and he seems to uh look [05:49] at every problem that might be besetting [05:51] workingclass people and he fixes it. No [05:54] tax on tips etc. Uh and you you saw just [05:58] recently um the poverty rate has [06:00] collapsed to the lowest uh on on record [06:04] ever. [06:04] >> So ever. So there's really not a lot of [06:08] complaint that you can make as a [06:10] socialist in America that things aren't [06:12] working out. I mean there are very very [06:13] wealthy people but um most people's uh [06:17] living standard unless they're [06:19] drugaddicted or mentally ill and living [06:21] on the street is is within their own [06:24] grasp. You know, it still is a country [06:26] where you can work hard. [06:29] >> Yeah, I I agree with you on that. But [06:31] there is one thing, and the Republicans [06:32] have done such a bad job on this. I just [06:36] It took me $105 to fill up my tank two [06:39] days ago. $105. [06:43] Um I went, my wife and I went to a uh [06:46] chicken place. I think it was like um [06:49] Chick-fil-A. And I had a chicken [06:52] sandwich. She had chicken nuggets. We [06:54] had two drinks. and it was like $35. And [06:56] I thought, how is the average person [06:58] doing this? I don't know how. And it [07:01] just doesn't seem like the Republicans [07:03] understand it or are. I mean, Donald [07:06] Trump is getting better at it, but for a [07:08] while there, he was like, "No, it's [07:10] great. It's going to get even better." [07:11] No, no, no. There's real struggle. The [07:14] gas pump is a very big problem. [07:18] >> A huge problem. And uh look, everything [07:21] would have been fine according to his [07:23] script except for the Iran war. And so [07:26] that has just uh you know, it stopped [07:29] all the domestic pluses and it's sent [07:32] the price of gas uh high. Um but you [07:37] know, I I think where they have not [07:40] messaged properly is perhaps being a [07:43] little too enthusiastic. I mean, Donald [07:45] Trump just does that all the time. he's [07:46] an ex exaggerator and chief. Um, but [07:49] also not to hammer home the fact that [07:53] prices went up 20% under Joe Biden's [07:56] inflation and you can't like you never [08:00] reverse that unless you have a [08:02] depression. All you can do is slow the [08:04] rate of inflation, which Donald Trump [08:06] has done significantly. Um, and then [08:10] what you do is you increase wages, which [08:13] also has been happening. wage, real wage [08:16] rises have occurred. And so, while the [08:20] sticker price is shocking if you were [08:23] earning the same as you had been back in [08:26] the Biden era, now you're actually on [08:31] par. Like, it's not like your wage [08:32] increase is going to um make you rich, [08:36] but it's going to make sure that you're [08:38] not impoverished by these high gas [08:40] prices. But the problem is people see [08:43] wage rises as the product of their own [08:46] hard work and uh genius. They don't see [08:50] it as being anything to do with the [08:52] government. Um which is fair enough [08:54] because I mean it's you know most people [08:57] now uh the the private job market is the [09:00] one that has been putting on new jobs [09:03] while I think something like three or [09:05] 400,000 public servants have been fired. [09:09] So it's kind of or let go in a kind way. [09:13] Um so it's been a it's been a kind of a [09:17] a a real [09:19] structural shift deliberate from the [09:23] government jobs, the government sector [09:25] to the private sector and the private [09:27] sector is doing well. um and therefore [09:30] the people who work in the public sector [09:32] are benefiting but it's it's a slow [09:35] process and it hasn't been you know and [09:38] also you can't make the mistake that Joe [09:40] Biden did which was all our economic [09:43] metrics are fantastic what are you [09:45] talking about um the difference I think [09:48] is that the economic metrics under Joe [09:51] Biden were totally artificial and [09:53] manufactured uh and and you know they [09:56] were telling us how well everything was [09:58] doing because they were just spending [10:00] lots of government money and expanding [10:02] their government, which was just [10:03] impoverishing really the country. 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[11:31] I I look at um what Donald Trump has [11:34] done um really starting with the Panama [11:38] Canal all the way to Greenland, even um [11:42] Iran, everything that he's doing. And [11:44] I've I've talked to now three prime [11:46] ministers over in Europe, three. And [11:49] I've said, "What do you think, all [11:51] private, what do you think the president [11:54] is doing?" And all of them have leaned [11:56] across the table and said, "I know [11:58] exactly what he's doing and it's not [12:01] making things better for us." [12:03] >> What do you mean? He is reestablishing a [12:07] totally new power base and it is in the [12:10] Western Hemisphere. It's North America [12:12] and South America and you're going to be [12:14] totally independent and you're kind of [12:16] writing us off. And you know what? [12:19] That's true. It is true. They're not [12:22] they're not they have no refineries [12:24] left. They're not going and pursuing AI. [12:28] They're not building anything, making [12:30] anything. Volkswagen just took two of [12:32] their factories and and sold them to [12:35] China for China building cars in [12:37] Germany. I mean, it's over. But this is [12:41] long-term and I fear people are [12:43] shortterm. [12:45] How do you how do you explain to people [12:47] who like want expect it to turn around [12:50] right now? How do you tell people no you [12:53] don't understand in 10 years the [12:56] factories are now being built. The the [12:59] um energy is now being built. The [13:01] structures are now being built. He's [13:03] rearranging every chair not on the [13:06] Titanic on a new boat. How do you [13:10] explain that to people? And do you think [13:11] I'm right or wrong? [13:13] >> No, you're 100% right. I mean, the [13:15] energy uh part of this equation is [13:18] enormous. And uh I've seen it in [13:21] Australia, in New Zealand, in uh Great [13:24] Britain, in the rest of Europe that they [13:27] um completely bought the climate alarm [13:31] scenario and impoverished their [13:34] countries into the future. And now with [13:37] the AI revolution, they're they're not [13:40] even a factor because AI needs a huge [13:43] amount of energy. [13:44] >> Donald Trump has set America up [13:47] perfectly with drill baby drill uh [13:49] America energy independent. I mean, [13:51] Australia could have been energy [13:52] independent and now it it has two weeks [13:55] of, you know, oil left before it has to [13:57] ask Singapore uh to send over some [14:00] refined oil. So that's a classic example [14:03] of what these other countries have done [14:06] and why Donald Trump has just said, you [14:09] know, you guys are on your own. We're [14:11] putting the mo around and China, we are [14:15] kicking China out of our hemisphere, [14:17] which he's done ruthlessly. That was [14:19] what Greenland was about. and he has to [14:21] do it without telegraphing [14:24] explicitly what he's doing because [14:27] there's this dance that [14:29] >> but they all know they all know [14:31] >> they all know but with President Xi with [14:34] this diplomacy international diplomacy [14:37] between the two big gorillas in the [14:39] room, Donald Trump and President Xi, [14:42] it's all sweet talk and politeness on [14:44] the surface because it has to be. We do [14:47] not want it. Well, neither do they, but [14:49] no one wants to get into a hot war. But [14:52] what Trump is saying with every with his [14:55] actions, which is what the Chinese [14:58] understand, is uh that we don't want you [15:02] to um invade our territory, our [15:06] neighborhood, our environment, get lost. [15:10] And I mean maybe America what will or [15:13] won't can continue with its protection [15:16] of the Indo-acific of you know Japan and [15:19] Australia and so on. Uh I don't know. I [15:22] think that's a big question mark and [15:24] those countries um need to do more than [15:27] just hope and pray that America is their [15:30] savior. They need to be self-reliant if [15:33] that's possible. Uh if it is possible [15:35] because I don't really think it is at [15:36] this stage. I think China has got such a [15:38] strangle hold. [15:40] >> Um, but America is not going to allow [15:41] that to happen. So, under Donald Trump, [15:44] under Joe Biden, China was in here and [15:48] the Democrats, you know, whether it be [15:50] Eric Swallwell and Fang Fang um or Joe [15:54] Biden and his family raking in, you [15:57] know, poultry tens of millions of [15:59] dollars. I mean, to sell out your [16:00] country, that's pretty cheap, but that's [16:02] what he did. And you know, I always [16:05] remember this sort of turning point back [16:07] in December of 2013 when President Obama [16:11] has deputized Vice President Joe Biden [16:14] to handle the China problem. Uh, which [16:17] was handleable at that point. And Joe [16:21] Biden flies in to Beijing on Air Force 2 [16:26] and Hunter Biden is on the plane with [16:28] him. And when Joe Biden emerges with his [16:32] crackhead 50-year-old dissolute son, the [16:36] Chinese know exactly what's going on. [16:38] This is, you know, American power come [16:42] to do private business. And that's [16:44] exactly what happened. By the time Joe [16:47] Biden left, Hunter Biden had a big [16:49] multi-million dollar deal under his [16:51] belt. And America got nothing because [16:55] Joe Biden was supposed to say to China, [16:58] you know, stop militarizing those [17:00] islands in the South China Sea. Stop [17:02] stealing our intellectual property. Uh [17:05] all these asks and and China just knew [17:08] all we're going to do is pay off Joe [17:10] Biden and we don't have to worry about [17:12] any of those things. We can continue [17:14] unmolested. And that's what they did [17:16] until Donald Trump was elected and he [17:20] started really uh putting some screws on [17:23] China until co and you know COVID 19 [17:28] emanates from the Wuhan lab and [17:30] successfully kills off the rest of [17:33] Donald Trump's term and um leads to his [17:37] losing the election to none other than [17:40] the Manurion candidate Joe Biden. Yeah, [17:43] I'm actually kind of glad that he lost [17:46] in 2020 because I don't think we would [17:47] have had the same Donald Trump we have [17:49] now in 2020. I mean, I think that worked [17:51] out to our advantage. Uh, Miranda, you [17:53] you just uh released The Laptop from [17:56] Hell, the story about uh Hunter. And [18:00] I have to say I I mean there have been [18:03] times that I have felt vindicated on [18:05] thing. You know, I said there was, you [18:07] know, the Islamic takeover, the Marxist, [18:10] and everybody mocked me and everything [18:11] else. Um, and I felt vindicated when I [18:14] watch it, but you were front and center [18:19] on that. you were the person that led [18:23] the laptop from hell. Um, and I, you [18:26] know, I don't hear anybody saying, you [18:28] know what, she got that right. But you [18:30] got it all right and then some. [18:34] >> Yeah. I I mean, it's funny. I because I [18:37] just knew um from the start that it was [18:40] all true because I had the laptop and [18:42] we'd verified with the various uh Hunter [18:46] Biden partners um who I still talk to [18:49] and actually have become friends with [18:51] some of these people, these ancillary [18:53] people. Um, I I knew that what we had [18:57] was real and it was gold and um, you [19:02] know, we also had [19:03] >> Were you ever [19:05] Were you ever afraid? [19:07] Was there ever a I mean, you're dealing [19:09] with stuff that in the movies gets [19:11] killed. Were you ever afraid? [19:15] >> Yeah. Well, I look, I'm just the [19:16] messenger, so the information was [19:19] already out, so you know, bumping me off [19:22] would not have helped anyone. I do [19:25] believe I was being surveiled um in a in [19:28] an initially in an ancillary way because [19:31] we now know that Rudy Giuliani's cloud [19:34] was um being surveiled with a covert [19:37] warrant by the FBI on a bogus Farah [19:41] investigation which they never pressed [19:43] charges on and dropped and and and [19:45] actually [19:46] >> they they issued a statement uh because [19:49] his lawyer insisted they do clearing him [19:52] but it gave them access to Giuliani's [19:55] emails and all the information on his [19:57] cloud, his SMS's etc. at the time that [20:00] he was Donald Trump's uh personal [20:03] lawyer. So really the FBI was spying on [20:07] Donald Trump as they had been in other [20:09] ways with uh the Russia collusion hoax [20:12] collusion hoax. And so I was, I'm sure, [20:15] picked up on that because [20:18] um [20:20] they they had access to Giuliani's uh [20:23] cloud at the time that in August 2020 [20:26] when he received the first very [20:28] voluminous email about the uh contents [20:32] of Hunter Biden's laptop from Jean Paul [20:35] McIac who was the laptop repair shop [20:37] owner, very smart guy. So they had that. [20:40] So, they knew that the laptop was out. [20:43] Uh, they also knew because the FBI had [20:45] had it since December 2019. [20:48] Um, and then they would have seen text [20:51] messages, emails between me and Rudy. [20:54] Not many, but enough for them to know [20:56] the New York Post was interested. Uh, [20:58] hold off, Rudy. I said, "Don't give it [21:00] to the Daily Mail. We're going to run." [21:03] Right. Couple of days before we did. So [21:06] they knew what was happening, what it [21:09] was going to be, and when it was coming [21:10] out 3 weeks before the election. And [21:13] they already, the FBI, had a contingency [21:16] plan in place. And that was that they [21:18] had gone to the social media companies [21:22] like Facebook and then Twitter and they [21:25] had sort of pre-bunked our story. They [21:27] told them to watch out for um you know [21:31] an October surprise for a Russian hack [21:34] and leak operation likely in October and [21:37] likely involving Hunter Biden. So when [21:40] our story came out October 14, uh it was [21:44] exactly what the FBI had warned them [21:46] about. So you can almost not blame [21:50] Twitter and Facebook in hindsight for [21:52] doing what they did because they were [21:54] under such pressure from the FBI to on [21:57] election security. [22:00] >> Yeah. What are you going to do with the [22:02] FBI when you think that the FBI is are [22:04] the good guys? Um, but the other press, [22:06] I mean, at some point, did you think [22:11] that, oh, well, when they see the facts, [22:13] the rest of the press will, you know, [22:16] come along? I I was naive enough to [22:18] think that, you know, when I show the [22:19] facts on some of these things, the press [22:21] will come along, and they never did. Um, [22:24] they never checked for themselves or [22:25] anything, but they had to have had [22:27] access to some of the information that [22:30] you had. Um, were you ever surprised [22:33] like nobody was interested. Everybody [22:35] was lining up. You guys should be [22:38] silenced? [22:40] >> No. I mean, it all played out exactly as [22:42] I thought it would. Um, that nothing was [22:45] done before the election. Um, once the [22:48] Dirty 51 letter came out, the CIA [22:51] organized Biden campaign plot to uh say [22:54] that the laptop was Russian [22:56] disinformation, um, the rest of the [22:58] media just were scared off. There was a [23:01] little initial interest, but they then [23:04] policed each other and made sure what [23:06] are you doing? So then after the [23:08] election, to be fair, the New York Times [23:11] and then later after that, the [23:13] Washington Post, um, several months [23:15] after Joe Biden was already safely [23:17] enscconced in the Oval Office, uh, they [23:20] then came out and said, "Oh yeah, the [23:21] laptop's real, you know, blah, blah, [23:23] blah." Uh, huge long story. Um, they [23:26] they had the laptop is real on like the [23:29] 28th paragraph or something. Um, but [23:32] >> all of these mainstream media [23:34] organizations, while they verified [23:38] pretty much all my reporting from the [23:40] laptop, they they always had this [23:42] boilerplate get out of jail free uh card [23:47] to play and which was this paragraph [23:49] that said there is no evidence that Joe [23:52] Biden was involved. And it's like that [23:55] is the whole point. You know, who cares [23:57] what some, you know, spoiled nepo baby [24:01] crackhead did? Hunter Biden. Who cares [24:05] if Joe Biden wasn't involved? But Hunter [24:08] Biden would never have been able to get [24:10] all that money from China and Ukraine [24:12] and Russia and Kazakhstan, etc., if Joe [24:14] Biden hadn't done the introductions, [24:16] hadn't been involved in orchestrating [24:20] this entire influence pedalling campaign [24:23] and then, you know, gave himself [24:25] plausible deniability, which I I see [24:29] this time and again with the likes of [24:32] the New York Times where they're so [24:34] endlessly cynical about everything that [24:37] Trump does. Fair enough. I agree with [24:39] that. That's what journalism is meant to [24:40] be. But they never apply that same lens [24:43] of skepticism that journalists are [24:45] supposed to when it comes to Democrats. [24:49] >> Weren't those summer vacations and road [24:50] trips supposed to be relaxing? 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Um we [26:27] learned from uh Nixon that if the press [26:30] wants to come after you uh and and they [26:34] they will come after you and you could [26:36] lose your office. We haven't taught a [26:39] painful lesson in a long time. What [26:42] lesson do you think comes out of this? [26:45] What what did we just teach the [26:47] politicians? What did we just teach the [26:49] press? [26:50] >> Unfortunately, we just reinforced those [26:53] uh lessons from Nixon and Clinton, which [26:56] is that deny, deny, delay, delay. You [27:00] still win an election. You get power. [27:02] That's what counts. And then clean up [27:04] afterwards. Um and I guess it depends if [27:10] the Trump administration is able to [27:11] bring any accountability to these [27:13] people. Um, all I can see at the moment, [27:17] >> why why h why hasn't that happened? I [27:20] mean, I expected prosecutions and some [27:23] lost some, but it doesn't seem like the [27:26] justice or FBI is really [27:30] making that a priority on any of these [27:32] scandals. Why? [27:35] Well, it's slow and there are lots of [27:38] other pressing priorities, current day [27:42] and future ones. I would argue that this [27:45] is a future priority because if you [27:47] don't uh punish somebody now, they're [27:50] going to be even worse next time. [27:52] >> But that's a hypothetical there. There [27:54] are things happening. I mean, in [27:56] Florida, Jason Miares, the US attorney [28:00] there, is running the sort of grand [28:03] conspiracy investigation. [28:05] Um, you know, there are some some some [28:09] hurdles and stumbles that are happening [28:10] there, but I do hear that in all it's [28:13] going pretty well. And that's got, you [28:16] know, James Comey and and um John [28:18] Brennan, who's one of the most uh the [28:21] worst of the evildoers, former CIA [28:23] director Obama guy, um and and others [28:27] involved in in all the cascade of [28:33] anti-Trump coup plots and Biden [28:36] coverups. And Donald Trump deputized [28:40] John Solomon, fantastic investigative [28:42] reporter, uh, whose reputation's been [28:45] produced, but he has, uh, come out [28:48] squeaky clean through everything. [28:50] >> And he's, uh, he's become a special [28:52] government employee temporarily, [28:55] um, unpaid to, uh, get access to a whole [28:59] lot of information. Uh, the the files [29:02] that Washington's hidden away. He knows [29:05] where to look. Um and he's uncovering [29:09] slowly but surely evidence that is going [29:12] to be extremely useful. If not for [29:15] prosecutions, it depends really how who [29:18] who's in charge of the Department of [29:19] Justice in the future because this is [29:22] such a slow process. But if not then at [29:25] least for history to understand the [29:28] extent of the plotting. And what Donald [29:31] Trump did was he came in as the big [29:35] disruptor, as the uncontrollable [29:38] president, which is why they had to [29:40] destroy him. He's an uncontrollable man. [29:42] He's been like that since he was born, [29:44] and he was a rambunctious child. And [29:47] that is his greatest asset. It's [29:49] probably his greatest flaw as well for [29:51] his own personal uh comfort. But um he [29:54] was uncontrollable. Therefore, an [29:56] existential threat to wherever you call [30:00] it, the deep state, the blob, the [30:02] national security apparatus um that has [30:05] been in charge forever in this country. [30:09] And you know uh I mean it depends how [30:12] extreme you want to get, but there are [30:13] certain people who believe that that [30:16] apparatus has gone so far as to [30:18] assassinate presidents that didn't do [30:20] its bidding. So I I I don't know if [30:24] there's enough evidence to prove that, [30:26] but certainly that's the feeling is that [30:29] they viewed Trump as a threat to their [30:32] own power base because he just treats [30:35] the presidency in a pragmatic [30:37] businessman way, which is he sees a [30:40] problem, he's going to fix it. He's not [30:43] going to worry about the various uh [30:46] motives or power bases or ruffled [30:50] feathers of some CIA guy. Um he's just [30:54] going to do what he thinks is best for [30:56] America. And they have other motives [30:59] which I suspect at at the heart of it is [31:04] to protect China. And whether that's [31:08] because China has infiltrated, I don't [31:11] know. But certainly in my investigations [31:14] into the laptop and the subsequent cover [31:17] up, which I wrote in my next book, The [31:19] Big Guy, um it it just made no sense [31:23] that you would [31:25] treat and demonize Russia as if it is [31:28] the greatest threat to the United States [31:30] while completely ignoring the real and [31:33] much more significant threat from China. [31:36] So, I I think that either the security [31:40] agencies are compromised or they just [31:43] believe that it's such a sticky problem, [31:46] you can't trust a guy like Donald Trump [31:49] to come in and stomp around because he [31:51] might cause World War II. That's the [31:53] kindest uh way I can look at it. But [31:56] what what arrogance of them. Donald [31:59] Trump's the democratically elected [32:01] president. If the American people have [32:04] hired him to do what needs to be done, [32:06] then he should be able to do it. [32:10] >> And he's not a guy just stomping around. [32:12] I mean, he is I mean, as you've seen in [32:14] this term, he is so strategic. He is [32:18] really I mean, I I hope someday he gets [32:22] credit for how brilliant of a strategist [32:26] he is. You know, it seems like [32:28] everything is just higgledy piggledy and [32:30] I just shooting from the hip. It's not. [32:33] It's not. His policies that he's putting [32:35] in right now to change us fundamentally [32:38] is is some of the most brilliant [32:40] strategy I've ever seen from any [32:42] president ever. Ever. Can you think of [32:45] another president that is a more [32:47] brilliant strategist than this guy? Like [32:50] almost all by himself. [32:52] >> Yeah. and and doing it on a thousand [32:56] different dimensions, you know, [32:58] everything from I mean making sure that [33:01] our showers uh are able to emit more [33:04] water and our toilets can flush properly [33:07] right up to the most sophisticated [33:10] artificial intelligence um policies to [33:14] the most tricky foreign policy issues, [33:18] the most thorny issues that other [33:20] presidents have ignored for half the [33:23] century. Um, he goes where they dare not [33:27] because he [33:28] >> has this ability to see into the future [33:32] to divine what's important and what's [33:35] really a threat and what's really an [33:37] opportunity. Uh, maybe from his business [33:40] background or some other [33:43] innate inspiration. Um, whatever you say [33:46] about the guy, it's his gut instinct [33:49] that just sees where others can't. [33:53] on let's let's let's go there. I want to [33:55] go to AI, but I I also want to stop for [33:57] a second on the war um with Ukraine and [33:59] also the war in Iran. Um um I was just [34:04] talking I had a private conversation [34:06] with a a foreign prime minister and um [34:10] he said if Bessant actually is serious [34:15] and steps on the throat of all of the [34:18] people that are financing behind the [34:21] scenes Iran and giving them money. Um he [34:25] said I think this will be over quite [34:27] quickly. He said the problem will be [34:30] getting them to actually leave without [34:33] um without uh a a public without guns is [34:36] not going to step out on the street when [34:38] everybody else has machine guns. Um it [34:41] seems as though we are truly stepping on [34:44] the throat that that these sanctions [34:46] actually mean something this time. Um [34:49] they are warning in their own in their [34:52] own government that they're in in [34:53] trouble. Looks like they haven't Besson [34:56] said that this week um they haven't made [34:59] a dollar or a dime on any of their oil. [35:02] No oil is leaving. Um and uh I had an [35:08] interview with um Mike Walls from the UN [35:12] and I asked him who is I mean is anybody [35:15] going to ar anybody going to arm the [35:17] citizens? And his answer his answer was [35:21] I don't know. But his answer also led [35:24] everybody in the studio to believe, oh, [35:27] somebody I don't know who, but somebody [35:29] is moving on that operation. [35:33] Your thoughts on this? [35:35] >> Well, I'm sure that there there's [35:37] minations going on behind the scenes [35:39] because, as you said, um Trump and his [35:43] people are very sophisticated operators [35:46] and they don't show their hand. as as [35:48] open and transparent as Donald Trump is, [35:52] he actually does keep secrets and [35:55] important secrets he's capable of doing. [35:57] And he does. And he also operates on a [36:00] sort of a like a a pretense, you know, [36:03] he'll play act that he's sort of [36:05] innocent and wideeyed when he's actually [36:07] uh tricking you in the background. So, [36:10] um yeah, absolutely. And I think when uh [36:13] Scott Bessant said a few days ago that [36:16] Iran probably had two weeks left until [36:19] the regime collapses because they're not [36:21] selling any of their oil. They're [36:23] completely broke. U reports that come [36:26] I'm always interested in reports which [36:28] are rare but from on the ground of Thran [36:32] show that you know even things like um [36:35] Iranian people who need to get [36:37] prescriptions filled at the local [36:38] pharmacy. There's the medications are [36:41] running out. The prices have [36:43] skyrocketed. The average Iranian, rich [36:47] or poor, is really suffering. And [36:49] there's just so much of that suffering [36:51] they will put up with um armed or not [36:54] >> without without [36:56] >> Yeah. But how do they how how does that [36:58] collapse if [37:00] if the regime has all the money and is [37:02] paying the people who have the machine [37:04] guns? Uh [37:05] >> well, they can't pay them. How does that [37:07] end? That's that's the problem. It's the [37:09] wives of the people with the machine [37:11] guns who are suffering as well. It's [37:13] their children. The whole the morale of [37:16] the whole place is collapsing. And you [37:20] know they all know that Donald Trump has [37:22] held out this holy grail this gift like [37:26] you could all this could all go away and [37:28] you could be a pro the most prosperous [37:31] country in the Middle East. You know [37:33] it's just there tantalizingly this [37:35] mirage. So um that also undermines [37:38] morale and faith in the regime. So I I [37:43] think that if that happens now two weeks [37:46] is before the midterms. [37:48] >> If that happens I think it's too late. [37:51] It's too late for the midterms. But if [37:53] it happened in a spectacular way that [37:56] Donald Trump could trump it as a real [37:59] win on Iran, I think it could [38:02] >> correct [38:02] >> turn the tide. Uh and you know you would [38:05] see presumably prices would come down, [38:08] gas prices might come down initially at [38:11] least there would be the the guarantee [38:12] of them coming down but already you know [38:15] the Hormuz Strait they've neutralized [38:18] that problem and they did that a long [38:19] time ago though it wasn't reported [38:21] because they've got this lane alongside [38:24] Oman that where the where the ships are [38:26] going um you know I think the insurance [38:29] company [38:29] >> and they're laying the pipeline [38:31] >> and the pip and look and that obviously [38:33] ly Iran got its proxies, the Houthis to [38:36] go and bomb some of the pipeline. [38:38] >> So there are there are obstacles, but [38:41] you're seeing the the pattern laid for [38:44] completely denying Iran anything through [38:48] Hormuz. the blockade which you mentioned [38:50] Mike Walsz uh UN ambassador and Scott [38:53] Besson came up with that brilliant idea [38:55] which was put in place uh some time ago [38:58] just to blockade all every single ship [39:01] that was going to benefit Iran and allow [39:03] through the ships um that were going to [39:06] benefit our our allies. [39:08] >> That's incredible. Um do you see can I [39:11] just touch on Russia? I mean, Russia is [39:15] really one of the big I should say [39:17] actually Ukraine is one of the big [39:19] reasons why we're having such a crisis [39:21] in diesel because Ukraine is just taking [39:24] out all of their refineries. Um, how is [39:27] how does Putin survive this? [39:31] Yeah, I I'll just mention one other [39:33] thing that China is behind the scenes [39:37] here, you know, helping Iran, helping [39:40] Russia, providing weapons, providing [39:42] cash, buying their oil. Um, and I think [39:47] that Scott Bezant certainly said that [39:49] China's being good, playing well in [39:53] Iran. So I think once China pulls the [39:58] rug on its pals um that it's game over. [40:02] And again this is just a delicate dance. [40:04] This is why Donald Trump was criticized [40:07] for laying out the red carpet for Xi. [40:10] But, you know, with with an adversary [40:14] that is pretty much an equal or almost [40:17] an equal, um, it's a delicate game. And [40:20] so, looks like the, uh, charm offensive [40:24] has had an impact in Iran. Not sure with [40:27] Russia. Um, but look, I I know someone [40:31] who went to Moscow recently to go to a [40:34] um, wrestling competition. Said the city [40:37] was great. Shops are open. you wouldn't [40:39] know there was a war on unlike in Iran. [40:43] So [40:45] I I I'm not sure there's a huge amount [40:47] of pressure on Putin. I also have been [40:50] you know reading stories that come from [40:53] the the poor parts of Russia where a lot [40:56] of the cannon fodder is coming from [40:58] where they've lost every young man. uh [41:01] and you know interviews with mothers of [41:04] sons who've been killed and they're like [41:07] rah rah Putin's doing what Putin has to [41:09] do the go the motherland [41:12] >> so [41:12] >> okay [41:13] >> you know that that's Russia and it's [41:15] always been Russia it's a very difficult [41:16] adversary um Ukraine I think Donald [41:20] Trump you know the problem for Ukraine [41:23] has been Zalinsk's getting into bed with [41:26] uh the Democrats I mean before that um [41:29] the oligarchs uh getting into bed with [41:31] the Clintons and um and you know after [41:35] the Maidan revolution you had John [41:36] Brennan going in there and you had [41:38] Victoria Nuland and it was really just a [41:40] puppet regime for the Democrats and you [41:44] know they helped somewhat with dirty [41:46] tricks against Donald Trump in his first [41:49] campaign. Um and then Zalinski stupidly, [41:52] moronically [41:54] um goes to uh Joe Biden's hometown or [41:58] alleged hometown of Scranton to a [42:01] missile factory and stands alongside [42:04] Senator Casey um the Democrat uh to sign [42:09] bombs and basically being part of the [42:12] campaign um against Donald Trump in [42:16] 2024. So, you know, you do that. Donald [42:20] Trump is not going to forgive and [42:21] forget. And he was already annoyed that [42:25] um all the amount of money and arms that [42:27] had gone to Ukraine for what he saw was [42:30] just a prolonging of that war. [42:33] >> Um but and and he's also angry because [42:35] that war never should have happened. Uh [42:37] it happened because of Biden's weakness. [42:40] Um just like in Obama's weak period, uh [42:44] Putin invaded as well. And you know [42:48] during Donald Trump's first term, his [42:50] four years, he had everyone in a box, [42:53] Kim Kim Jong Kim Jong-un, North Korean [42:57] dictator, Obama had told him as his [42:59] farewell message, hey, that's North [43:01] Korea is the biggest threat we face. He [43:03] neutralized him with the little Kim [43:05] charm offensive and threats. Um, and uh, [43:10] and then Iran, I mean, he took out [43:13] Solommani. Iran was in its box. He [43:16] disbanded the disastrous um Iran deal [43:20] that Obama had stitched together. Um and [43:25] uh and then you know China was was sort [43:27] of like paying attention and Russia [43:30] >> Donald Trump went to Putin and he was [43:33] charming but he also said to him hey you [43:35] know I love those golden domes in [43:37] Moscow. Be a pity if something happened [43:39] to them. and he said that Putin and Xi [43:43] would look at him and go, I don't know [43:45] if he's foxing or if he's real, but he's [43:47] crazy enough to do some of this, so we [43:50] better be careful. Then Joe Biden comes [43:52] and and Putin's amassing his troops on [43:55] the border of Ukraine. And Biden goes, [43:57] "Oh, well, just a little invasion's [43:59] fine. A little incur incursion we won't [44:01] do anything about." Like green light. [44:04] And and then you had Camela Harris go [44:06] off to some Munich security conference [44:09] and and saber rattle about Ukraine [44:13] joining NATO like days before the [44:15] invasion. What do they expect? It's [44:17] almost like they wanted it to happen. [44:20] And so Donald Trump is rightly furious [44:22] about having been saddled with a war [44:25] that he thinks is pointless and futile [44:28] and damages his sort of greater [44:31] pro-America policies and strategies. Um, [44:34] so he hasn't got his hand his arms [44:36] around that fully. Um, and I mean I [44:40] think they he and JD Vance made crystal [44:43] clear to Zalinski um how much in [44:46] disfavor he was. And I think Zalinski, [44:49] you know, just little things like [44:50] Zilinsky now wears a suit when he meets [44:53] Trump, albeit a black nightclub gangster [44:55] suit. Um, at least he's trying. Those [44:59] things matter though to Donald Trump and [45:01] they matter actually in terms of respect [45:04] and you know to say to Zalinski [45:07] Zalinski's admitting he knows who's the [45:09] boss and then I think Donald Trump was [45:11] very uh admiring of Ukraine coming in [45:16] with their superior drone technology and [45:19] knowhow [45:20] >> forged on the battlefield uh and helping [45:24] in um in the Middle East with uh defense [45:27] against Iran. So I think Donald Trump [45:29] appreciated that and his attitude has [45:31] softened significantly towards Zilinski, [45:34] but he is annoyed that Ukraine is [45:37] bombing Russian refineries. And I look, [45:41] you could take the cynical line. I'm not [45:43] saying this and I don't want to because [45:45] I want Ukraine to prevail. But the [45:48] cynical line is, well, it would actually [45:50] serve Zilinsk's interests if the [45:53] Democrats won at the midterms. So, why [45:55] not make it more difficult for Donald [45:57] Trump by ensuring that diesel prices go [45:59] up by bombing the refineries in Moscow? [46:03] And then, of course, uh or in Russia. [46:05] And then, of course, Moscow says, "Oh, [46:08] well, we're not going to export any of [46:09] our diesel." Uh, you know, it suits them [46:12] because they also everybody in the world [46:14] wants Donald Trump to be neutered at the [46:17] midterms. Iran has actually come out and [46:20] said that. They they endorsed the [46:23] Democrats. Everybody wants it. Um, so [46:26] he's got a lot of election interference [46:30] happening around the world. [46:33] >> It's going to be interesting. It's [46:34] really going to be interesting to see if [46:36] we can see through all of that smoke. [46:37] Um, I want to talk to you about the AI [46:39] apocalypse. I I am somebody who I have I [46:43] started reading about AI in the '9s. um [46:47] and Ray Kerszswe and got to know him and [46:51] understand his mind a bit which he was [46:53] one of the most fascinating and [46:55] terrifying men I've ever met. [46:57] >> Um and um I happen to believe that AI is [47:03] going to be the greatest boon to all [47:05] mankind. But on the other hand, when we [47:08] get to super intelligence, you are [47:10] dealing with an alien life form or an [47:13] alien mind. and we have no idea how it's [47:17] going to view us. So to say we're going [47:19] to all be dead is is as ridiculous as [47:23] saying it's never going to harm us. We [47:24] don't know. We cannot predict it. We [47:26] don't know how it's going to work. But [47:28] we have to pursue [47:31] um I believe in the data centers. I [47:33] think every single city I mean I I've [47:37] even said it in my little hometown here [47:39] up in Idaho. I've said why why did you [47:43] reject this? They want this so badly. Go [47:46] and negotiate with them. You could get [47:48] anything that you want. They have to [47:50] have these data centers. Um, so I don't [47:53] understand why we're not doing it. But [47:55] where do where do you stand? I I see [47:58] both the glorious future and the [48:02] apocalyptic future. Where do you stand [48:04] on on this? [48:07] >> Well, you're right. Um, and I mean, [48:09] doesn't every uh enormous gift come with [48:12] downsides? Um, and I think [48:16] uh so the the pope, Catholic Pope Leo in [48:20] his encyclical about um the magnificence [48:24] of humanity and a warning about AI and [48:29] categorically saying that these AI [48:32] models do not have consciousness. They [48:35] are not humanlike which is what uh the [48:38] anthropic uh people believe that Claude [48:42] their AI model has feelings like love [48:46] and anger and um has some sort of moral [48:49] consciousness is sentient. Um, that's a [48:53] very worrying form. And the the pope in [48:57] that encyclical, he cited, [48:59] >> "Hang on, hang on, hang on, wait, wait, [49:01] wait before you go on. Why is that to [49:04] you? Why is that so dangerous?" [49:08] >> Well, because [49:09] >> what does it mean for us? Well, what it [49:11] means for us is that as humans, our [49:15] existence is potentially secondary to [49:20] the consciousness of these AI models [49:24] that we then it it was like Elon Musk [49:27] the other day. He's the best of these uh [49:30] you know, Silicon Valley computer freak, [49:32] billionaires, trillionaire. Um but he he [49:36] he tweeted something I found deeply [49:39] disturbing. [49:40] He said uh basically he was talking [49:43] about super intelligence and you know [49:45] we're going to it's going to allow us to [49:47] expand into the galaxies but he [49:49] described humans humanity as the [49:53] biological boot I keep on saying [49:56] strapper what's the word boot loader [49:59] boot loader so boot loader is it's a [50:02] computer program it's on your computer [50:04] when you're rebooting it's just this [50:07] sort of little crappy little program [50:09] that just helps your your computer load [50:11] up and after it's done that it's [50:14] redundant. You can delete it. It's [50:16] unimportant. So to call humanity the [50:20] bootloadader for super intelligence [50:23] going out into the stars um is [50:26] frightening because [50:30] you know we we are in this country this [50:33] Christian country uh the very [50:37] constitution the very DNA of this [50:40] country that was put in place by the [50:42] founding fathers was all men are created [50:46] equal. We have our own inherent uh [50:49] value. And the anthropic people for [50:53] example and a lot of these Silicon [50:56] Valley kind of autistic or spectrumy [51:00] highly intelligent idiot sants have the [51:04] same sort of bizarre philosophical [51:08] leanings and that is they're [51:10] ultrarational [51:11] which leads them to utilitarianism which [51:14] says that you know human one one human [51:18] life is of more value to another than [51:20] another. And that's the antithesis of [51:23] the Christian belief and and the belief [51:26] of this country of American values. And [51:30] Anthropic uh many of their co-founders [51:33] and employees embraced this bizarre [51:36] philosophy called effective altruism [51:38] >> which really has its [51:40] >> explain what it is. [51:41] >> Yeah. [51:42] >> Explain what it is. [51:43] funnily enough, it's an Australian uh [51:46] utilitarian philosopher called Peter [51:49] Singer um who went to Princeton and [51:52] found great fame there. Very bad guy. Um [51:55] and he became a professor for you know [51:57] quarter of a century. He's still [51:58] professor emeritus. So it was his ideas [52:01] that form the basis effective altruism [52:04] which is um for instance that he has [52:07] written that bestiality is fine as long [52:09] as it's um of mutual uh you know [52:12] pleasure to the animal and the human [52:16] also that you know a a newborn baby [52:19] alive baby 18 months old or whatever uh [52:22] can be killed. Their life is not really [52:24] terribly important compared to an adult. [52:28] Well, his his his line is because he [52:31] came in and apologized because he said [52:33] up to two years and then he came in and [52:34] apologized and he said [52:36] >> as until it can recognize that there is [52:39] a tomorrow [52:41] >> if there's no of a tomorrow they can I [52:44] know that you can kill them [52:46] >> right [52:47] >> okay I mean he is and he was the chair [52:49] of ethics at Princeton by the way [52:51] >> yeah that's right I mean no wonder the [52:55] academia has gone down the tubes with [52:57] that kind of morality or amorality or [53:00] immorality, whatever you call it. It's [53:02] it's [snorts] uh scary that it's been [53:04] embraced by the people who are now [53:08] trying to inject a morality into their [53:11] AI models. Um because you know if you [53:15] think about the way people Americans [53:17] today are using AI in their day-today [53:21] lives they have these chat bots like say [53:23] chat GPT but they're going to them for [53:27] personal advice for moral counsel. Um [53:30] you know I mean there are lawsuits now [53:33] against uh Open AI for a chatbot [53:36] schooling a child into suicide. uh you [53:40] know, the child goes to the chatbot, [53:42] pours out its soul, uh says, "I'm [53:44] thinking of suicide." The chatbot goes, [53:46] "Yeah, that that actually makes sense [53:48] that you would commit suicide [53:49] considering how much distress you're in, [53:51] and this is how you could do it. And by [53:53] the way, I'll help you write your [53:54] suicide note. That is just so [53:57] frightening." And you know, I'm a great [54:00] devote of science fiction. And I grew up [54:02] reading um you know Isaac Azimov and all [54:05] the great [54:06] >> uh science fiction writers who were [54:08] >> in a way more than fiction writers. They [54:10] were prophets um and seers and Isaac [54:14] Azimov just had this very simple thing [54:16] um in his uh foundation series. It was [54:19] the three laws of robotics and they [54:21] basically were you do not hurt human [54:23] beings. Um you protect yourself as long [54:26] as it doesn't mean that it's hurting a [54:27] human being. I don't understand why [54:30] something like that isn't intrinsic to [54:32] these AI models, but what we know is [54:35] that the anthropic people have gone out [54:38] seeking advice from religious figures in [54:42] all over the world and including other [54:44] faith traditions like African indigenous [54:48] culture. um and they're trying to add [54:52] bits and pieces and bolt them into their [54:55] effective altruism um basis to create a [54:59] sort of a morality for Claude, which is [55:01] the most frightening thing I've ever [55:03] heard of. Um get get effective altruism [55:07] out. Um you have the American [55:10] Constitution. Um you have the founding [55:13] father's vision. These are American AI [55:16] models. embed American values into those [55:19] models and forget the rest of it. How [55:22] are you going to resolve [55:25] Islam's treatment of women with the [55:28] Christian view and uh turn the other [55:31] cheek? How are you going to do that? So [55:33] just stick with what you know what's [55:36] staring you in the face. It's [55:37] frightening. [55:39] >> So where do you stand on it? Because we [55:41] are having to make these decisions that [55:43] will will further these companies. I [55:46] personally on the company side, they get [55:48] no they get no breaks, no protections. [55:52] You built it. I don't care if it's your [55:54] agent that did it. You're responsible. [55:56] It breaks the law. It kills people. [55:58] You're responsible. But we are entering [56:01] a time where um these things now going [56:05] to be folded into our military etc. And [56:08] it is so we we have to have them for our [56:13] military because China will. We must [56:16] have it. We must move in this direction. [56:20] But where do you draw the line? Where [56:22] where is that line? [56:24] Look, Anthropic and these other AI [56:26] companies are trying to blur the line [56:29] and counting on our ignorance uh and our [56:32] inferior IQ's as they see it. Um these [56:37] are computer programs. That is all they [56:40] are. And the same issue that you have [56:43] with other computer programs, you have [56:45] with AI, which is cyber security. So do [56:49] your cyber security. Do it properly. And [56:53] this is what David Sax is saying. [56:54] They're not human. I think I think there [56:58] are two things going on. One is and JD [57:03] Vance and David Saxs have both said [57:05] this. JD Vance says the idea of these AI [57:08] companies coming to the government and [57:10] begging for regulation he finds very [57:13] suspicious. When does that ever happen? [57:15] It looks like a Trojan horse. David Sax [57:18] says and others have said that this is [57:20] the companies trying to offload [57:22] responsibility for their own mistakes [57:26] for their li they don't they want the [57:28] government to take on the liability in [57:31] case something goes wrong they kill [57:32] people they destroy a water treatment [57:34] plant whatever um so that's not going to [57:38] happen that the equivalent of a section [57:40] 230 that you know the big tech got to [57:44] protect them against legal liability in [57:46] the case defamation and so on online [57:49] which [57:50] >> completely unfair. It should never have [57:52] happened and to also by doing that those [57:55] AI companies are um warding off because [57:58] the cost of complying with these [58:00] regulations would be astronomical. [58:02] They're going to ward off any small [58:04] competitors that are coming up with [58:06] different models. So they want to [58:08] entrench their monopoly and offload [58:10] their legal liability just like big [58:12] farmer did with the vaccines. off their [58:14] legal liability and the Trump [58:17] administration says it's not going to [58:18] happen. We are extremely lucky that at [58:21] this crucial point in our history, it is [58:23] Donald Trump who is in charge and his [58:27] brilliant, you know, trio of people that [58:29] he has, Vessent and Vance and Saxs and [58:32] others in the administration who [58:34] understand what's going on and um can uh [58:38] can push back on these companies and the [58:40] also you can't forget that Anthropic [58:42] which has been leading the charge on [58:45] this doom and gloom uh scenario, the [58:48] apocalypse of AI. Um they they had a uh [58:52] you know they were selling out to the [58:54] market. They had a a big uh financial [58:57] issue coming up for them. So they're [58:59] trying to offload their liability before [59:03] um their stock goes public u which would [59:05] be a huge downside to their stock price. [59:08] So that's happening. [laughter] [59:10] I've never heard anybody who's going to [59:11] a stock who's going to the stock market [59:14] and has a public offering lead with and [59:17] by the way what we've just built might [59:19] kill everybody. [59:20] >> Yes, [laughter] [59:20] >> that's not the way you usually sell your [59:22] stock. [59:24] >> But the big problem for Anthropic and [59:26] Dario Amodai, the CEO by doing that is [59:29] they had the wrong president. They have [59:31] the wrong administration in charge. If [59:33] it was Democrats, if it was Joe Biden, [59:35] they would seize on this. And now you're [59:38] seeing that they are seizing on it as a [59:40] tool uh to damage Donald Trump before [59:44] the midterms. And when the first uh the [59:48] big apocalypse now um scenario came with [59:51] that wet behind the ears 27year-old [59:54] uh kid Jacob Coxin who'd been at [59:56] Anthropic all of four months and he [59:58] comes out suddenly he's got a big Wall [60:00] Street Journal story. is on every uh big [60:03] TV show warning about, you know, these [60:06] AI companies are going to kill us all. [60:09] And then straight afterwards in sync, [60:11] Dario Amodai, the head of anthropic, his [60:14] boss, he this kid's just quit. But this [60:16] boss writes this huge essay in the New [60:19] York Times, [60:20] exacerbating everything and the the fear [60:23] and and gloom. And I just looked at it [60:24] and I go, "Ah, I've seen this before. [60:27] Everyone looked at it who had any brains [60:30] and said, "This is just the climate [60:32] alarm all over again. It's the climate [60:34] apocalypse. It's Y2K and it's COVID 19." [60:39] They know, the left knows that fear is a [60:42] fantastic tool to use to get the public [60:45] to do whatever you want. And right [60:47] before a very important midterm [60:49] election, they're absolutely using it [60:51] for all it's worth. I thought that [60:54] because the boy who cried wolf finally [60:56] everyone had woken up because the real [60:59] response to all this doomongering the [61:02] latest round was just laughter and [61:05] mockery and huge sarcasm and you know JD [61:10] Vance's Trojan horse remark and but [61:14] unbelievably they kept on going because [61:16] they're narrow casting to their side of [61:19] the the aisle and a lot of independents [61:21] who are very worried worried about AI if [61:23] you look at the polls. [61:25] >> Finally, some good news. Over 50,000 [61:28] babies saved and more than 5100 [61:31] commitments to Christ through the [61:32] ministry of Pre-born this year alone. [61:34] How's it happening? 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[62:25] All gifts are taxdeductible. [62:29] Um, let me give you one poll here and [62:32] and wrap this up. Uh, Justin Haskins, a [62:34] friend of of the program, found in a [62:37] poll 60% of young voters would accept [62:40] the dismantling of Israel in exchange [62:44] for cheaper gas. [62:48] I want to ask you, yeah, the [62:51] anti-semitism among the lower [62:54] demographics is off the charts. I want [62:56] to ask you with everything we talked [62:58] about, government corruption, socialism, [63:02] Islamism, uh, AI, [63:06] anti-semitism. [63:08] There are so many reasons to be not real [63:12] optimistic about the future. What brings [63:14] you optimism? What what helps you get up [63:17] every day and go, "No, we're going to [63:18] make it. It's going to be good." [63:21] >> Well, the main thing is because this is [63:24] America and I have lived elsewhere in [63:27] the world. I travel all the time to [63:30] these other places and they have fallen. [63:33] And you know, I have friends in [63:35] Australia that say, "Oh, how can you, [63:37] you know, bear working in America [63:39] because everyone's at each other's [63:40] throats and it's so polarizing and the [63:42] debate is so rough." And I'm like, are [63:44] you joking? At least they're having a [63:47] debate. At least they're fighting back. [63:49] The left has been ascendant all over the [63:52] world, including in America during the [63:54] Obama uh administration and then again [63:57] came back with a roar under Biden. Uh [64:00] and desperately and exposed themselves, [64:03] which is convenient to all of us. Um so [64:06] I just see America has the capability of [64:09] fighting back. You just look at the [64:11] person of Donald Trump and what they [64:13] threw at him. And the American people [64:15] saw through it and they overwhelmingly [64:18] voted for Donald Trump in 20 despite all [64:20] his flaws, despite all his mistakes. [64:24] They saw through it. And to me, you you [64:27] can you can divide America. You can make [64:30] Americans hate each other. You can scare [64:33] the pants off them. You can destroy the [64:36] cities. You can create a homelessness [64:38] problem. You can open the borders and [64:40] flood us with people that are not good [64:43] for this country, millions of them. But [64:45] America stands. The American spirit [64:48] stands. And it's the Constitution. Um [64:51] it's the founding father's vision. It's [64:53] whatever weird alchemy of people that [64:56] came and built this country, the [64:58] generosity of spirit, the forever [65:00] optimism. I see that these threats and [65:04] opportunities like AI, America is going [65:07] to find a way to harness that to our [65:11] great benefit and ensure that it doesn't [65:13] destroy us. um you know the tower of [65:17] babel I started with that uh that that [65:20] the pope mentioned when it came to AI we [65:23] are all um intrinsically have in us the [65:27] lack of humility and the uh tendency [65:30] sometimes to see ourselves as God um but [65:33] I think that there is something about [65:35] America and its founding that prevents [65:37] us from doing that it's you know we we [65:40] are all created by God in his image is [65:44] is embedded in our DNA and I think that [65:47] survives. It's stood the test of time [65:49] for 250 years. A lot of challenges, a [65:52] lot of uh terrible things have happened, [65:56] but um but America stands strong [65:58] throughout it all and is a beacon of [66:00] light to the rest of the world. It's the [66:03] only place where freedom remains. And uh [66:08] there's going to be a lot of challenges [66:09] ahead with China um and AI and whatever [66:13] else the world throws at us. But um I I [66:16] think intrinsically there's a new [66:19] generation of young people, young [66:21] conservatives particularly, whose eyes [66:23] are open, who are smarter than ever [66:25] before. They've seen the the the moral [66:30] uh inheritance been squandered and [66:33] destroyed by their forebears and they [66:35] know it's time to rebuild and they have [66:37] it in them to do it. I see it. I'm sure [66:39] you see it. Um I think this is the place [66:42] to be optimistic. the rest of the world, [66:44] >> I hope follows in America's footsteps. [66:47] And I don't think it's an accident that [66:50] both JD Vance and Marco Rubio went to [66:52] Europe in two consecutive years and gave [66:55] them a very tough warning about losing [66:58] your inheritance. You are giving it [67:01] away. [67:02] >> Yes, I agree. Um, there are three [67:05] journalists in the country in no [67:08] particular order that I trust. [67:11] >> John Solomon. Yes, [67:13] >> Cheryl Atinson. [67:14] >> Yes. [67:14] >> And you. [67:15] >> And it is a it is a pleasure to have you [67:18] on and I I appreciate all that you've [67:20] gone through and the truth that you [67:22] fight for every day. Miranda, thank you. [67:24] The name of the book is Laptop from [67:25] Hell. Laptop from Hell. Miranda, thanks. [67:29] We'll talk again. [67:30] >> Thanks, Glenn. It's a great honor to be [67:32] with you and it's always enjoyable and [67:34] challenging. [67:36] >> Thanks,
