Transcript [00:00] There is no anti-Israel activist I hate [00:02] more than Anna Kasparian, but what I do [00:05] love is watching her get absolutely [00:07] humbled. So, take a look at this debate. [00:10] John Spencer, who is the head of uh West [00:14] Point's study of urban warfare, has [00:18] correctly said that no country in the [00:20] history of warfare has ever done war to [00:22] protect the civilians of enemy [00:25] countries. [00:25] >> Yeah. But unfortunately, Alan Alan, [00:27] unfortunately, I have to say I had to [00:29] jump in there because he he came on this [00:32] show and he came up very short, [00:34] unfortunately, because when I began to [00:35] press him on specific numbers that he [00:39] could use. [00:40] >> Well, I'll give you specific numbers, [00:41] >> but he had no idea. He couldn't say how [00:43] many civilians had died. All he knew was [00:46] the ratio of combat to civilian was the [00:48] greatest ever. I said, "Well, how do you [00:50] know that if you don't know the number?" [00:53] Well, you do know the number because [00:55] Hamas gives a number. Even if you take [00:57] the Hamas false numbers, the ratio is [00:59] approximately 2 and a half to one, which [01:02] compares to a 7:1 ratio for NATO and [01:06] other Western countries. There's been no [01:08] country in the history of urban warfare [01:10] who has had a lower ratio of civilian to [01:14] combatant deaths. And that's just a [01:16] fact. And the idea that you call Israel [01:19] a genocidal country when it has fed its [01:22] enemies, inoculated its enemies and [01:26] protected its enemies, given hospitals [01:30] enemies. What did you what did you [01:32] think? [01:32] >> Anti-semitic. But Adam, Alan, what did [01:34] you think when you saw? [01:36] Adam, when you saw the Google when you [01:38] saw the Google Earth images and this [01:41] showed the state of Gaza now with 75 to [01:45] 80% of the entire Gaza Strip just [01:48] raised, gone, vaporized, [01:51] you whatever you want to call that, that [01:53] is a systematic destruction [01:56] of Gaza. I mean, you you wouldn't [01:58] dispute the categorization. It's just [02:00] it's [02:01] I would the order the the destruction is [02:04] a result of the fact that Gaza that [02:06] Hamas has used civilian houses and [02:10] civilian tunnels but you wouldn't argue [02:13] to protect its terrorists. We wouldn't [02:14] argue about the scar of the [02:16] >> destruction. The destruction is the [02:18] fault of Hamas. The Israel's mistake is [02:23] it should never have declared war. [02:25] Israel's mistake is Hamas fault in the [02:27] West Bank as well. But let me let me ask [02:29] you Alan do you feel when you see when [02:31] you see those pictures Alan Alan you [02:34] guys are so delusional. [02:35] >> Is destroying is destroying 80% of the [02:38] Gaza Strip a proportionate response to [02:40] October the 7th? That's the question. [02:43] Abs. Absolutely. And in fact, Israel's [02:46] mistake is it should have declared war [02:48] on Gaza the way the United States [02:50] declared war on Germany. It didn't [02:52] declare war on the Nazi party. It [02:55] declared war on Germany. Hamas is [02:58] controlling the people of Gaza. And many [03:01] of the people who are in Hamas are [03:04] controlling the people of Gaza. And so [03:07] Israel is fighting a war against a [03:09] nation, the nation of Gaza that elected [03:12] Hamas to be its leaders. And yes, Israel [03:15] is destroying the capacity of Hamas to [03:19] repeat October 7th, which it has [03:21] promised it would repeat over and over [03:23] and over again, and it has succeeded. [03:26] Look, Jewish blood is no longer cheap [03:28] the way it was during the Holocaust, the [03:31] way it has been for many years. Israel [03:33] is fighting back against its enemies and [03:36] its enemies are Hamas and its enemies [03:39] are the people of what Israel is doing [03:41] support Hamas and allow their houses to [03:44] be used for terrorist tunnels. [03:46] >> Yeah, I I don't that part is clearly [03:49] that's part of the problem. I agree. But [03:50] let me come to to Joe Ken. You know this [03:53] the problem with all this is that Israel [03:56] and pro-Israelis come on my show, they [03:59] they all say this. They all say we have [04:01] to do this. It's going great. This is [04:03] what we had to do. We're going to stop [04:05] it. A I don't think it's going to stop [04:07] anything. I think when you have this [04:08] kind of wholesale slaughter we've seen [04:10] in Gaza, in southern Lebanon, in you [04:13] know, wherever you you're going to make [04:15] more enemies than you take out. And I [04:17] think I read a report from the CIA [04:19] actually um re couple of months ago [04:22] saying they thought they thought for [04:23] every one Hamas terrorist who've been [04:25] killed there maybe five more come [04:27] through with the same ideology. I don't [04:29] really buy into the argument that Israel [04:31] is [04:31] >> You can say the same thing about Nazi [04:33] Germany. You can say the same thing [04:35] about Nazi Germany. No, we defeated Nazi [04:37] Germany and they didn't repeat their [04:40] atrocities and the same thing in Japan. [04:43] Israel is doing the same thing. [04:44] >> I was about to say I was about to say [04:47] history will determine whether the same [04:49] thing will happen here. I'm I'm not [04:51] convinced it will, but history will [04:53] determine that. I don't know obviously. [04:55] Um, but the alternative point I'm going [04:57] to make just to let them do it. [04:58] >> Hang on. The point I made to Joe Ken is [05:00] that notwithstanding the sort of [05:02] impassioned defense of this from [05:04] pro-Israeli guests I get, the reality is [05:07] the longer this has gone on, the more [05:09] that the Israelis have bombed Gaza, [05:13] southern Lebanon, Iran. Uh the more this [05:16] has the more Syria the more this has [05:18] gone on the more unpopular Israel has [05:20] become around the world in particular in [05:23] American. [05:34] Okay. Yeah, let Joe respond. [05:36] >> Asparian, [05:36] >> let let Joe get right old man. [05:38] >> This is actually This is a question for [05:40] Joe. So Joe, so there there's the [05:42] dilemma, isn't it, for for Israel and [05:44] Israelis? They bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb [05:47] bomb bomb. And maybe people think [05:49] they're justified in a lot of the [05:51] bombing. Uh but it is making Israel [05:54] increasingly a global pariah. [05:58] When you respond to a terrorist attack [06:00] like October uh 6th with a campaign [06:04] basically of genocide and eradication, [06:06] you are going to get more terrorism that [06:08] blows back on you. That's going to [06:10] happen to the Israelis. And because we [06:12] are paying for this lock, stock, and [06:14] barrel, it will blow back on us. the [06:17] vast majority of domestic terrorist [06:18] attacks last year in 2025 that happened [06:22] here in America. The perpetrators of [06:24] those attacks, whether they were secular [06:26] or whether they were Muslim, they cited [06:28] the atrocities in Gaza for the reason [06:29] that they conducted the attack here in [06:31] America. The vast majority of terrorism [06:34] we have experienced here in the [06:36] homeland. There has been some reference [06:38] to our support for the state of Israel [06:41] and the way the state of Israel conducts [06:42] themselves. I took a lot of issue Alan [06:45] with what you said. Hang on, hang on. [06:47] With what you said about Israel [06:49] conducting themselves in a very, you [06:51] know, civilized and methodical way [06:53] inside Gaza. Uh, I fought in Fallujah. I [06:56] fought in Ramani. I fought in Ajaf. I [06:58] spent the vast majority of my young life [07:00] doing counterterrorism operations in [07:02] urban environments. The US military does [07:05] not behave like the Israeli Defense [07:07] Force. And for us to continue to def to [07:09] fund the Israeli Defense Force while [07:12] they commit genocide, while they kill [07:14] kill and target civilians. Yes. Doing [07:16] counterterrorism operations in urban [07:17] environment. There will be some there [07:20] will be some civilian casualties. This [07:22] casual military is absolutely [07:24] disgusting. It appears like this whole [07:25] back and forth with that stupid guest [07:27] Owen whatever his name was last time was [07:28] on the show for us to continue to [07:30] support the state of Isra. We will have [07:33] more terrorism that will blow back on [07:35] us. You guys have no idea what you're [07:37] talking about because you've never [07:38] actually served. You [07:39] >> fascinating that the former director of [07:42] counterterrorism United States [07:43] government is just taking [07:46] as military aid. Josh, are you going to [07:48] go saddle up? [07:50] >> You can go enlist. Are you going to go [07:51] enlist? [07:51] >> Not [07:53] you have no idea what I've been saying [07:54] about the Iran war. I think it's been [07:56] they've been very very mishandled [07:57] essentially since the first ceasefire in [07:59] April. So you have no idea you're [07:59] talking about that. I just think I think [08:00] it's fascinating that the director of [08:02] counterterrorism is is just taking a [08:04] point blank term the subjective [08:07] motivations that that are stated by [08:10] terrorists on this soil. I mean I mean [08:12] in what other ways is the former [08:13] American director of counterterrorism [08:15] the terrorist is he just going to Anna [08:18] your buddy here was actually to be fair [08:22] allce [laughter] [08:26] please don't all talk at once Josh to be [08:28] clear hang on [08:31] don't all talk at once Josh to be clear [08:33] Joe Kent very patiently spelled out his [08:36] service record fighting for the United [08:39] States and that's honorable urban urban [08:42] areas like Fallujah and others and he [08:44] said he's never seen American forces [08:47] behaving the way that Israeli forces [08:49] have done in Gaza [08:51] I would say that ought to give that [08:53] ought to give that ought to give two [08:55] people on the panel to his right on this [08:58] screen pause for thought surely that [09:00] their pronouncements about just how [09:03] humane the IDF has been in Gaza may not [09:07] be the reality if you've got a man if [09:09] his experience [09:10] >> what is the reality It is the reality. [09:12] Look at the numbers. The numbers [09:15] of genocide [09:18] like that. [09:19] >> This isn't even a close case. This isn't [09:21] even a close case for genocide. Anyone [09:24] who uses the term genocide is an [09:26] anti-semite, a liar, a bigot, and defies [09:29] reality and won't let international. [09:32] That's why everything the journalists [09:33] were also [09:40] Alan, you talk about Alan, you talk [09:42] about lies, right? We know over 220 220 [09:46] odd journalists have been killed uh in [09:49] Gaza, of which it is supposedly there [09:52] are up to 50 who may have had [laughter] [09:54] Wait a minute. Let me finish my [09:56] sentence, please. Up to about up to [09:58] about 50 have been reported to have had [10:01] links, however tenuous with Hamas. That [10:03] leaves nearly 200 other journalists who [10:06] didn't. Right? So this idea that all the [10:08] journalists in Gaza are Hamas operatives [10:11] is a lie, a stinking lie. But they're [10:14] working and actually and the best way [10:16] and well Alan Alan if I may, the best [10:19] way to establish the truth about what [10:21] war crimes have been committed or [10:23] otherwise in Gaza, as I've repeatedly [10:26] said on this show for several years now, [10:29] is lift the ban on international [10:31] journalists that Netanyahu has [10:34] maintained. I agree with that. let them [10:36] in. I [10:37] >> then we can work out just how much the [10:39] IDF but the longer they won't do it the [10:42] more the more I think they're hiding [10:44] something [10:47] >> the what they're hiding is the fact that [10:49] many of the journalists work with Hamas [10:51] and are Hamas members and it's very hard [10:54] to distinguish the Hamas members from [10:56] the honest journalists so they overreact [10:59] but I think they ought to allow all [11:00] international journalists to go in and [11:02] explore this I'm not afraid of the truth [11:05] Israel has done a very good job in light [11:08] of all the factors that they have to [11:10] face. And in the end, history will prove [11:14] that this war, this war, this attack on [11:17] Iran is one of the most important [11:20] preventions of a nuclear holocaust, much [11:23] like what would have happened if the if [11:26] the British and the French had invaded [11:28] Germany in 1935 and prevented them from [11:32] becoming the country that produced the [11:34] Holocaust. [11:36] This war will go down in history as a [11:39] positive step in preventing a nuclear [11:41] holocaust and I think history will look [11:43] at it very positively [11:50] triggered and I think that Alan Dersitz [11:53] and Josh Hammer did a great job here [11:56] putting her in her place. She is a vile, [12:00] you know, Jew hater, vile anti-semite as [12:03] you would call it. And yes, I'm using [12:05] that word. I know it's become taboo. Uh, [12:08] but she has that whole meme of her [12:11] putting her hands together in a very [12:13] happy merchant like meme where she tries [12:16] to pretend to be a money grubbing Jew. [12:18] That is her thing. And uh, she is [12:21] obsessed with Israel. She has Israel [12:23] derangement syndrome. If you look at the [12:24] Young Turks, every single podcast it's [12:27] about Israel. And I think she lacks any [12:31] and I've watched her debate. many people [12:33] like Shabas Kenbound and even Ben [12:36] Shapiro I believe on Israel and I've [12:38] watched her many times. Uh she doesn't [12:40] have much to say. I've watched her [12:42] against Ben Shapiro. I've watched her [12:44] against Shabas Castenbal [12:47] uh but she loses it in some of these [12:50] debates and she lost it against Joseph [12:52] Cohen. You should definitely check out [12:54] that debate as well. But I'll leave you [12:56] with this. You know, something I've [12:58] noticed with her along with many other [13:00] Israel haters or so-called [13:02] anti-Zionists, [13:04] uh, they are coming out, right? They are [13:06] letting the mask lip. Like the emperor [13:09] has no clothes. That is what is going on [13:11] right now. You know, it went from look [13:14] at what they're doing in Gaza to look at [13:16] what they're doing in the Middle East to [13:18] look at what they're doing in America to [13:21] look at what they're doing in Congress [13:23] to eventually oh look at those [13:24] billionaire Jews. Okay. So, that's what [13:27] it's come to at this point. Um, and I [13:29] think a lot of this like socialist, you [13:31] know, talking points, a lot of it is [13:34] really just Jew hatred, right? Oh, look [13:36] at those people that are making money. [13:38] Oh, you know who. And, uh, yeah, it is [13:41] frightening to see, but also incredibly [13:45] clarifying as to our position. Much [13:48] easier to spot than, you know, saying, [13:51] "Oh, I just care about the children in [13:53] Gaza." Thank you for watching and I'll [13:54] see you in the next
