Transcript [00:05] [music] [00:10] Hello and welcome to Citizen McCain. Uh [00:14] it has been a beat. Uh we were off on [00:16] Monday for Labor Day and it's so nice to [00:18] see you. Really quickly, Miranda is not [00:22] here with me today. She is sick with the [00:26] shingles of all things and we have her [00:28] permission to share her medical [00:30] diagnosis. Um, which is obviously [00:32] something that is nothing to take [00:34] lightly or to joke around with. So, we [00:36] want her resting and recovering. And if [00:38] you want to send her any messages of [00:40] goodwill or for anyone who has also had [00:42] the shingles, if you have any advice [00:44] about getting better or treating it or [00:46] how to care for yourself when you're [00:48] going through that, please feel free to [00:50] message her on social media and [00:52] hopefully she will be back soon. But [00:53] it's important that she's resting and [00:55] taking care of ourel herself. She [00:57] actually gave us some photos to share, [00:59] but they're a little graphic, so we [01:01] decided not to share them just cuz I [01:04] don't know, it's it's pretty intense. [01:06] Um, really quickly though, before we get [01:08] uh started, I'm very excited. Filling in [01:11] for Miranda today is going to be our [01:13] guest co-host, Colonel Curts Kristen. [01:16] Fresh off of a sixmonth hiatus. Uh [01:20] Kristen is a YouTuber, commentator, pop [01:22] culture enthusiast, and critic. You can [01:24] find her at Colonel Curts99 on YouTube [01:26] and Twitter. Uh Kristen, first of all, [01:29] thank you so much for doing this today. [01:30] Uh I've been texting with you for a [01:33] while about so many different things and [01:34] about the show today. Uh but I just have [01:36] to ask you, why did you take six months [01:38] off your wildly popular YouTube channel? [01:41] >> Well, first of all, thanks for having me [01:42] back. Can you hear me? Okay, [01:44] >> perfect. [01:44] >> All right, then we're great. Well, [01:45] actually, Megan, I was getting and I I [01:48] didn't want to have to announce this, [01:49] but there have been so many inquiries [01:50] about my absence that I guess I have to [01:52] come clean. I was getting a deep plain [01:56] facelift. So, [01:58] >> are you serious? [laughter] [01:59] >> No, no, [02:00] >> no. I was like, [02:01] >> "No, no, no." But I mean, that's the [02:03] thing. That's [laughter] the thing [02:04] nowadays. That's the thing nowadays. No, [02:07] but I mean one day, dude, have you seen [02:08] the results? They're amazing. Seriously. [02:10] No, but I uh I I I moved locations. I [02:15] started a new job. Hi, Stephen Perry. I [02:18] started a new job and honestly, Megan, I [02:20] have been doing this for five years and [02:22] I got to the five-year mark and I I [02:25] said, you know, it's time to take a [02:26] break and figure out if I want to change [02:28] direction or handle this bit diff [02:30] differently, you know, with AI uh now [02:33] everything is changing and I also wanted [02:35] to stop and think about what this kind [02:37] of communication might look like in [02:38] another five years. So, I'm going to [02:40] keep doing my podcast. I am coming back. [02:42] uh but also gonna be handling some [02:44] things I think a bit differently. We'll [02:45] see what happens. But thank you for [02:46] having me. [02:47] >> I missed you. You cover the most [02:49] interesting subjects. You know, I've [02:50] been such a fan of your channel for a [02:52] long time. You have so many subscribers [02:55] and people that miss you. Can you just [02:57] give me a little more like just just [02:59] curious what are you going to go in any [03:01] different direction? Because one of my [03:03] favorite things about your channel is [03:04] you're sort of always at the forefront [03:06] of stories that maybe like a month or a [03:09] few months later people follow. Like I [03:11] feel like you're always like you were [03:12] early to like you know Marilyn Manson, [03:15] early to Lindsay Clancy, early to so [03:17] many things and I just I don't know that [03:19] that's one of the things I really enjoy [03:20] about your channel. Are you going to [03:21] stop doing that kind of content? [03:23] >> Thank you. Thank you. You know I I am [03:25] but I think that one thing that and you [03:27] can probably relate to this. I think [03:29] everyone who does social media can on [03:30] some level. I think one thing that I've [03:32] decided is um it's going to be coming [03:34] back. It's going to be much more of a [03:35] one-way street than a two-way street in [03:38] terms of my cats here. uh one-way street [03:40] in terms of dealing with like comments [03:42] and engaging with people online. Um I [03:45] think when you get into this game, one [03:47] of the things that we're told is that so [03:49] much of feeding the algorithms is to [03:51] engage with your people and to be out [03:54] there, you know, commenting a lot. And I [03:56] just decided that that was kind of um [03:58] that was kind of bad for my soul and I [04:01] was getting tired of it. And so I'm [04:02] going to keep putting videos out there. [04:04] But uh by the way, since she's here, [04:07] >> crazy crazy cat lady. Since we're gonna [04:10] be talking about women's issues, I [04:11] thought I would get my uh my kitty out [04:13] here. [04:13] >> Sweet. [04:14] >> But uh but no, just um I think I think [04:17] getting into into interactions with [04:19] people online a lot less and just [04:21] focusing on getting my content out [04:22] there. And also I want to put some [04:23] fictional content out there as well. I [04:25] have a novel project I've been working [04:27] on forever. I want to finish it. I want [04:28] to try to write a screenplay, that kind [04:30] of thing. So, we'll see. [04:32] >> Well, I'm really happy you're back. Like [04:33] I said, I've really missed your your [04:34] content. Look, this YouTube space, which [04:36] you told me early on, like it's rough. [04:39] It is rough. Like YouTube has been a [04:41] very hard like egg to crack for for me [04:44] at least. And I do so like Twitter is [04:46] like my jam. Like I almost have a [04:48] million followers on Twitter. Like it's [04:50] like and then Thank you. So you stir the [04:52] pot, too. I respect that. Yeah. [04:54] [laughter] [04:54] >> Thank you. Yes. I'm like I I almost did [04:56] a thing today and I was like my five [04:58] hottest of hot takes and my first one [04:59] was going to be like filler is trashy [05:01] and then I just stopped because I was [05:02] just like no [laughter] [05:04] filler in your face but I was like I'm [05:06] not going to do that today. [05:07] >> Oh my god that's funny. [05:08] >> YouTube is feels so and we're going to [05:11] again we're going to we have so much [05:12] women stuff to talk today which I'm so [05:13] happy you're here to to get into that [05:15] because we've been texting so much about [05:17] it and I just have a lot to say and I [05:18] want your opinion as well. But I do feel [05:21] like women in YouTube is a totally [05:23] different animal as well. I feel like it [05:25] is just a sausage fest on this platform [05:27] un unless in the commentary space in the [05:30] if you're doing politics like everything [05:32] if you're a woman it's like the the [05:34] channels that I at least that enter my [05:36] algorithm are like a lot of like purse [05:38] influencers and fashion and that's [05:40] great. I appreciate that kind of [05:42] content. I consume that kind of content [05:44] but in the political analyst space I [05:45] feel like it's like Candace Owens Megan [05:47] Kelly and then nothing and like nothing [05:48] else. So that that is that has been [05:51] challenging for me and we see like [05:53] little lights in the tunnel on YouTube [05:55] and honestly you've just started and [05:58] you're getting thousands of views now [06:00] and people don't realize and this is [06:02] something that I told you when when you [06:03] started is that there is such a bias in [06:06] the algorithm. I know people complain [06:07] about the algorithm a lot but it is a [06:09] real force. there is such a bias in the [06:10] algorithm toward um against I should say [06:14] new channels and so there is just a [06:16] really steep initial curve to getting [06:18] that momentum but you can you can look [06:20] at a channel and you can see whether [06:22] it's growing or it's dying and yours is [06:24] definitely doing really well. So I'm [06:25] proud of you for sticking it out through [06:27] those bad initial months because I know [06:29] they suck. [06:30] >> I've been like I should quit. I should [06:31] quit. But the other what's the other [06:33] option going to corporate media and I [06:34] think corporate media is dead. So right [06:36] anyway we we can move off from this. I [06:39] first and foremost the the topic that I [06:41] want to talk to like just to just to get [06:44] things kicked off. So you live in Texas. [06:47] I hope I didn't I hope I didn't [06:48] >> Oh no no it's fine. [06:49] >> People know you live in Texas. Okay. Um [06:51] right this second my husband and like [06:54] half of the people that I know that work [06:55] in this industry are in Dallas for this [06:57] quote midterm convention. Um it is a [07:01] two-day event. Normal conventions by the [07:03] way are four whatever that's worth to [07:04] you. uh at the American Airlines Center [07:06] and it's been dubbed Trump a Palooa with [07:09] President Trump speaking both nights and [07:11] Vice President Vance headlining [07:12] Thursday. Unlike a traditional [07:14] convention, there's no nominee, no party [07:16] platform getting decided. Obviously, no [07:18] delegates, nobody's voting on anything. [07:20] Um it's essentially just like a massive [07:23] MAGA rally. Um I want to show this clip [07:27] of Harry Enon talking about uh why this [07:30] is basically only for the most hardcore [07:32] of MAGA supporters. [07:35] CNN chief data analyst Harry Andon. You [07:39] know, if the idea is to reach MAGA [07:42] voters who may not be showing up, is [07:45] that a reasonable target? [07:46] >> You know, this idea is so illconceived. [07:48] You can just see it by the fact that [07:49] they're doing it when the football [07:51] season is starting. Who does that? My [07:53] god. And when you look at the numbers, [07:55] no, that is not the part of the party in [07:58] which you actually need to motivate. You [07:59] can see this here. Extremely motivated [08:01] to vote in the midterm elections. 60% of [08:03] Democrats are extremely motivated to [08:05] vote. 59% of that hardcore Trump base [08:08] MAGA Republicans 59% of them the same as [08:10] the Dems. The ones who are not motivated [08:12] to vote are the non-MAG Republicans, the [08:15] people who are far less likely to [08:17] approve of Donald Trump. The people who [08:18] think that Donald Trump's Republican [08:20] party probably this should be the end of [08:22] it. That's where the problem is. So no, [08:24] it is not in fact the hardcore [08:26] Republican base that needs that [08:28] motivation. It is other folks that this [08:30] convention simply put won't be reaching [08:32] because they'll probably be watching [08:34] football like most Americans. [08:36] >> Yeah. So, I don't follow football, but [08:38] apparently the NFL launches tonight. Uh, [08:41] also, Politico was reporting that quote, [08:43] "The vibes are bad in Dallas." I don't [08:44] want to speak for my friends, but no one [08:46] I know is that excited to be like, they [08:48] sort of like were like, "We have to go [08:50] to this blah blah." Kristen, I don't [08:53] know who this is for. A lot of people [08:55] have tried to convince me this is a good [08:56] idea. I think it's a bad idea. I think [08:58] it's a big waste of money. I don't need [09:00] any more speeches from Trump and Vance [09:02] right now. The economy is doing going [09:04] very poorly. I just know what I'm [09:06] spending on the gas tank and the grocery [09:08] store and I'm not someone who is in, you [09:11] know, a financial place that's that's [09:13] perilous like the vast majority of [09:14] Americans. Um I I don't need this. I [09:18] don't need more MAGA speakers on a I [09:20] just I don't know who this is for, why [09:22] we're doing this. Uh you're not a [09:24] Republican. It doesn't matter. But [09:25] what's your what's your takeaway on this [09:27] Trump a palooa that's starting this [09:29] week? [09:29] >> Well, I mean, but I am right of center [09:31] and I voted Republican more than I voted [09:33] Democrat over my lifetime. Um, I did [09:36] knock on doors for Obama though, so be [09:38] warned. Uh, but I don't think people get [09:41] excited about I about the midterms in in [09:45] such a way as they do when we're talking [09:47] about the presidential elections because [09:50] there's just something the celebrity, [09:51] the star power, the drama. It's just so [09:53] intense during a presidential election. [09:55] I'm not saying people don't care about [09:56] the midterms, but I I don't think that [09:59] the idea of a of a convention and you [10:01] really hit on I think the central point [10:02] which is that I think that everyone I [10:05] think universally right now in this [10:07] country feels like we are heading into [10:10] some scary [ __ ] We have existentially [10:13] speaking and I know that every [10:14] generation feels this way and you know [10:16] it's not like we're worried that [10:17] someone's going to hit us with a nuclear [10:18] bomb except apparently AI might actually [10:21] pull a Skynet and exterminate us. You [10:23] know, we'll talk about that later of the [10:25] warnings on that. But I think that with [10:27] inflation and with I mean hello we're in [10:30] a war right now and you and I might have [10:32] some different opinions on that but like [10:34] we're in some kind of a war with Iran [10:36] that is unresolved and so to you know it [10:39] I don't I don't see what there is at [10:40] this point to really celebrate in terms [10:42] of a convention and people we we have a [10:45] serious problem with our debt. I know [10:47] that there are a number of people who [10:48] are in favor of Vance's proposal uh for [10:51] stay-at-home parents. And I think as [10:53] long as we're blowing a lot of money, we [10:54] might as well blow it on that as opposed [10:56] to other frivolous government spending. [10:58] But I do think that people realize that [11:00] we have a ticking time bomb with the [11:02] debt and with a lot of other issues. And [11:05] I think that this is tonedeaf and I I [11:07] can't I'm not at all surprised that [11:08] people are not excited to attend this [11:09] convention. [11:11] >> Yeah. I just want to show one more clip [11:12] of Carl Rove who whatever you know Carl [11:15] Ro is certainly not my [11:16] >> he's a smart guy though but he's a smart [11:17] guy about political strategy [11:19] >> but he is he knows a lot about a lot and [11:21] he's extremely nervous about this number [11:23] two [11:24] >> think about the big term the big midterm [11:27] convention being able to reset the stage [11:30] here for the Republicans going into the [11:31] next six weeks. [11:33] >> Well, I'm a little bit nervous about it [11:35] because look, we're in the final stages [11:37] of the campaign. I'd be more comfortable [11:38] if this had been held in June or July [11:40] and set a thematic that could be pursued [11:42] for 4 months or 5 months rather than for [11:45] 56 days. And and look, we've we've seen [11:48] this before. The Democrats used to have [11:50] in the 70s and early 80s, they used to [11:52] have uh midterm conventions and finally [11:55] decided not to to go forward with them [11:58] anymore because they weren't [11:59] particularly helpful. We'll see. The [12:01] White House is betting on the [12:02] president's president originally was [12:04] going to speak on Thursday night. Now, [12:06] he's going to speak on Wednesday night [12:08] and then he's going to follow up on [12:09] Thursday night after JD Vance speaks, [12:11] the vice president, and we'll see how it [12:14] all works out. The White House is [12:15] pushing a big bet. It's like we're at [12:16] the tables. They're pushing all the [12:18] chips on saying we if we make this about [12:20] Donald Trump and if we make it about [12:22] Donald Trump's record and put him at the [12:24] center of this, then we've got a shot to [12:25] pull this thing off. [12:27] >> Okay. But Donald Trump's poll numbers [12:29] are in the 30s. [12:31] >> Thinking go ahead, Kristen. Sorry. [12:33] >> Yeah, I know. That's what I was just [12:34] thinking. Yeah, his poll numbers. This [12:36] is not I don't think that we're at a [12:37] point right now where the right is [12:39] feeling quite as jubilant as it did, you [12:42] know, the last presidential election, [12:44] for example. And look, I have some [12:46] friends who are very strong uh Trump [12:48] supporters still, and they point to some [12:51] of the big gains that he's made in terms [12:53] of policy toward illegal immigration. If [12:55] you're someone who thinks that illegal [12:56] immigration is a serious problem for a [12:59] variety of reasons, including [13:00] economically, then Trump has definitely [13:03] he's definitely done a lot or he's tried [13:05] to do a lot. And we can get into some of [13:07] the methods and if they're wrong or [13:08] whatever. But I would say though that [13:11] that is counterweighted by dis a lot of [13:14] dissatisfaction over what a lot of [13:16] people see as an unnecessary war with [13:18] Iran. I know not everyone, but what a [13:19] lot of people see. And then people are [13:21] people just feel like the economy at any [13:24] moment really could fall out from [13:25] beneath us. And they're not wrong in the [13:27] sense that we have unprecedented debt. [13:29] As you know, inflation doesn't seem to [13:31] be subsiding. And as we're going to talk [13:34] about in a moment, AI, you know, there [13:36] are a lot of people who feel like their [13:37] job might be obsolete in another 10 [13:39] years. [13:40] >> Yeah. I think one of the things that's [13:42] really hard for me, Kristen, it's not [13:44] like MAGA ever embraces me, and I use me [13:46] as like an avatar for people like me. [13:48] >> Yes. But I, you know, on paper, like you [13:51] said, his policies are much more aligned [13:54] with with where with where I'm at, [13:55] obviously. [13:56] >> Um, but I am, excuse my language, I am [14:00] [ __ ] tired right now. I'm tired of [14:02] being lectured to about a lot of [14:04] different women's stuff, which I know [14:05] we're about to get to. [14:06] >> I'm tired of being told that the economy [14:09] that that there was a JD Vance had a [14:11] quote that I'm I don't know if he [14:13] misspoke, but he said, "You should be [14:15] grateful gas prices aren't higher." Like [14:18] what a message in going into midterms. I [14:20] should be grateful. [14:22] >> He did. I'm not like Did you see it? You [14:24] know what I'm talking about? And it's [14:25] like [14:26] >> And then he did another interview where [14:27] he was talking about how maybe end times [14:30] are coming. He did like an interview [14:31] with some Catholic podcaster. I don't [14:33] know what everyone's talking about. Like [14:35] I should be gr like what do you know [14:38] that I don't know? the end times are [14:39] coming and as you say with the war of [14:40] Iran, everyone I know, even the most [14:43] hawkish of people are tired of it and [14:44] think that there's little to no strategy [14:46] and every day we're told one thing and [14:49] there's a bombing of a tanker in Car [14:51] Island and no one knows what's [14:52] happening. There's absolutely no [14:53] strategy. Um, and I think the, you know, [14:56] to the old adage is the economy stupid [14:58] is I am tired and again I am not trying [15:01] to in any way Kristen espouse that I [15:04] have any kind of like, you know, my [15:06] husband and I are both gainfully [15:06] employed. I'm an epo baby. I'm going to [15:08] be fine. But I know when I'm pissed at [15:10] the grocery store and I'm not shopping [15:12] at Whole Foods every day, I'm just [15:13] talking about like normal groceries. I [15:15] literally don't know how people are [15:16] affording it. I do not know how people [15:18] can afford a influencer I follow um had [15:20] it was saying she has a $700 electric [15:23] bill and she and her husband don't make [15:24] a ton of money and it's like I feel like [15:27] we are going to get shellacked in the [15:29] midterms and then I just don't know what [15:30] it means going into the general. Do you [15:33] feel the same kind of fatigue? It's not [15:35] that I feel lied to, but I just feel [15:37] like I I can't Oh, this is the last [15:39] thing. And I'm I'm sort of [15:40] >> No, [15:42] go for it. [15:42] >> The influencerification. [15:44] If I see one more member of the Trump [15:46] cabinet doing an Instagram, I'm in the [15:50] gym working out. This is like you know [15:52] like like you know podcast like [15:56] Secretary of the Treasury doing podcast [15:57] talking about his sex playlist. What are [16:00] you all doing? That's a real thing by [16:01] the way. Please look it up. Sean Duffy [16:02] and Rachel Duffy who I like normally [16:05] talking about the sex playlist they have [16:07] to like get themselves in the mood. What [16:09] are we t is this earth? Is this like [16:12] it's so unserious and I'm I am tired of [16:15] it and I'm not scared to say it. [16:17] Anything you want to add to that? [16:18] >> Well, it it does kind of have the [16:20] feeling of like Versailles before the [16:22] fall of uh the French aristocracy. And I [16:25] I think that this people I think that [16:27] politicians and as you said conservative [16:29] influence influencers need to understand [16:32] that people are not in a jovial mood [16:34] when they feel existentially threatened. [16:36] And look I it doesn't really matter how [16:39] much money you have. I I know you feel [16:41] like you have to offer that kind of [16:42] disclaimer when you talk about the [16:44] economy because people will say oh rich [16:45] Nepo baby and whatever. But honestly, [16:48] um, no matter what kind of a lifestyle [16:50] you're living at, you notice when your [16:52] groceries, your food is exorbitantly [16:55] expensive. You just do. And everybody [16:57] feels the pinch to some degree, right? [16:58] When you're poor, you feel it maybe more [17:00] in deeper ways, but everyone feels it. [17:02] And I think that what's underpinning all [17:04] of this too, this anxiety, is the sense [17:06] that we are at a kind of evolutionary [17:09] inflection point. I don't mean to be [17:10] dramatic, but it's really true. And [17:12] we've got this with AI, we've got this [17:13] with increasing technology in various [17:15] ways. You know, I made a joke about the [17:16] deep plain facial, but one of the things [17:19] that I cover on my channel is skincare. [17:20] I'm really fascinated by advances in [17:22] skincare, and we're really almost to the [17:25] to the point of like that Justin [17:26] Timberlake movie where people of means [17:29] will be able to look 35 indefinitely. [17:31] And I know everyone wants to say, "Oh, [17:33] but it looks so fake." Now, it only [17:36] looks fake when it's badly done. And I [17:38] can promise the audience that anyone [17:40] that you think looks a lot better for [17:42] their age naturally in the public eye, [17:44] they're doing some interventions. And [17:46] that's nothing to be embarrassed about [17:47] or ashamed of, but I'm I'm talking to [17:49] the fact that existentially people feel [17:51] like we are in a precarious position. [17:53] And I think that and and so and so when [17:55] you have that situation and then you [17:57] have the sense that the person who was [17:59] supposed to be a calm presence at the [18:01] helm, Donald Trump, and I understand [18:03] some people might be laughing at the [18:04] idea this was a calm presence, but I [18:06] think that a lot of MAGA supporters and [18:08] and people who were previously Trump [18:10] supporters thought that when it came [18:12] down to it, yeah, he might bluster a [18:14] lot, but he more or less knew what he [18:16] was doing and could take command. And I [18:18] think what we've seen with the Iran [18:20] situation, even for people who initially [18:22] supported it, is that all of this back [18:24] and forth and today it's oh, it's o it's [18:26] over and oh, we went to Versailles and [18:28] we signed a peace treaty and now oops, [18:29] never mind. And all of this constant [18:31] bluster and changing of strategy. I [18:34] think that people have the sense that [18:36] Trump is not in control. If he ever was, [18:38] he's not in control anymore. And I [18:40] understand that there are some things [18:41] that he's done that people are really [18:42] feel great about like the, you know, [18:44] immigration and he's cut back DEI in the [18:47] government and and so forth. And yeah, [18:49] that's that's real, but when people feel [18:51] existentially threatened, it does it [18:52] almost it's almost like it doesn't [18:53] really matter. [18:55] >> Yeah, I I completely agree with you on [18:57] on the tonedeafness. And then we're [18:59] going to move on to the next subject. I [19:00] just want to show you this Trump this [19:01] picture that Ivanka Trump shared. It's a [19:04] video of her 15-year-old daughter, [19:06] Arabella, riding horseback on a family [19:08] vacation. I know. This is in a uh I [19:11] think they call it a carousel on [19:13] Instagram of a lot of different pictures [19:14] of them on just what looks like [19:16] extremely expensive elitist vacations, [19:18] and that's her uh horseback riding with [19:21] her hands not touching. Now, look, I [19:24] don't I'm a capitalist. I don't have a [19:25] problem with people having money, but I [19:26] think when you're the president's [19:28] grandchild optically and daughter, I [19:32] just again when you're talking about [19:33] Versailles and storming the Bastile, [19:35] like it's so tonedeaf. [19:37] >> Yeah. [19:37] >> In so many different ways. Like, do you [19:40] think they understand how the American [19:42] public is perceiving [ __ ] like this? [19:44] >> No. Or they wouldn't do it? I don't [19:46] think. And and so I and I look I I think [19:49] that when you do get you when you get [19:51] past a certain level of wealth, I do [19:53] think that there's a certain degree of [19:55] being out of touch with what's going on [19:56] among the commoners, so to speak. And [19:58] and and wealthy people, I think, have to [20:00] fight harder to be in touch with that. [20:01] And a lot of them do. Um and look, I [20:04] know some people will say, "Hey, it's [20:05] his granddaughter, whatever. She's [20:07] expressing a fun moment online. Leave [20:08] the kids alone." And and that's true as [20:10] well, but I'm I'm trying to point again [20:11] to like the French Revolution. You know, [20:13] there's been a lot of concern lately [20:14] among the right about socialism, the [20:16] rise of socialist sentiment in America, [20:19] the popularity in some quarters of AOC, [20:21] the rise of Mumami. I always mess up his [20:23] name, but anyway, [laughter] [20:26] >> but there's been a lot of concern. And [20:28] might I remind you that that one of the [20:30] things that really kicked off the French [20:31] Revolution was women standing in line [20:35] for bread who could not literally could [20:37] not feed themselves or their families [20:38] and more or less picked up pitchforks [20:41] and stormed the government hall. And so [20:44] when we want to talk about women and I [20:45] know we've got some of these on the [20:47] right who talk about repealing the 19th. [20:48] We'll get to that in a moment. But women [20:50] can, like it or not, women can be and [20:52] they are very powerful. And you have a [20:54] lot of women who are going to be staying [20:57] home or not v voting for the right be [20:59] during the midterms and beyond because [21:02] they feel this instability for [21:03] themselves and their families. And that [21:05] makes socialism very attractive. Look, [21:06] you and I know that communism doesn't [21:08] work. We know that there are deep flaws [21:10] in socialist systems and so forth. But [21:13] also, it gets to a point where people [21:14] are not going to put up with [ __ ] [21:16] when they when they think that their [21:17] leaders are out of touch and are not and [21:20] are asleep at the wheel. [21:22] >> I totally agree with you and I want to [21:24] remind everyone to please raise your [21:26] digital hand if you want to ask me or [21:27] Kristen a question. Ben, obviously, [21:30] please let me know. Ashley's out sick [21:31] today, too. By the way, [21:32] >> can I just address real quick? I'm [21:33] sorry. Real quick, quick. Chris Holiday [21:35] in the comments says the instability is [21:37] due to inflation that was caused by [21:39] Democratic policies under Biden. Okay, [21:40] we can argue about the causes, but the [21:43] pro I'm talking about how the animal [21:44] mind works, how the voting mind works, [21:47] how it wins elections. And if people [21:49] feel like Trump is out of touch or he's [21:51] flailing about or the Republicans don't [21:53] really give a [ __ ] about what's going on [21:55] with a lot of this country, it doesn't [21:56] matter. The the intellectual argument is [21:59] is not helpful. [22:01] >> It also no one cares. Respectfully, [22:04] no one cares if Thanks for sharing. [22:06] [laughter] [22:06] >> Yeah. I just mean that like the average [22:08] voter isn't going to be like, "Well, [22:09] it's not Trump's fault, right?" Like [22:10] that's just not how politics works. And [22:12] I also think that um again these cabinet [22:15] members, there are so many that I just I [22:18] literally just I just know how I was [22:20] media trained thousand years ago and it [22:22] was like you are the you have to be the [22:24] most humble. Do not signal. There was a [22:27] presidential candidate named John [22:28] Huntsman who got caught wearing I [22:30] believe a Rolex to the Iowa State Fair [22:32] and it like really hurt his chances [22:34] becoming president because people were [22:35] like you're wearing like a $50,000 watch [22:36] how much it costs. I believe it was John [22:38] Huntsman. I some someone like that. I [22:40] don't remember. Um and it it's like you [22:43] can't even if you have your millionaire [22:45] billionaire which a lot of these people [22:46] are. You can't signal that you don't [22:48] give a [ __ ] about people who aren't. And [22:50] there seems like there's just this like [22:51] gilded agification of of of a party [22:55] that's supposed to be representing the [22:56] working class at a time when the [22:58] economies in in the tanker. And I agree [23:00] with what you're saying. It's like it [23:02] doesn't matter. Politics is about [23:03] signaling and optics and messaging and [23:05] everything we're doing right now. I [23:08] think again if I'm pissed off when I'm a [23:11] I've only ever voted for Republicans, [23:12] like we got a real problem. Um really [23:15] quickly before we move on, uh how do we [23:17] keep the lights on? How do I pay for [23:19] this even in this terrible economy? Ben, [23:21] uh, we have our wonderful partners at [23:23] Quint. Um, I don't know if you like my [23:26] sweater, but all my new fall pieces are [23:28] from Quint. All my onesies for my son. I [23:32] got a bottle of perfume from Quint [23:33] recently. I really love this company. 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She tweeted, "I [24:16] know a lot of Republicans don't want to [24:17] hear this, but the right is on the verge [24:19] of making the same mistake with young [24:20] women that the left did with young men. [24:22] I know some of these women are fun to [24:24] mock and I get it and I do too. But we [24:27] have to do better if we're going to [24:28] bring them over to our side. If we are [24:29] totally if we totally alienate young [24:31] women, we will not win elections. We [24:33] have to find a way to appeal to them." [24:35] Now, this is just a personal story, [24:36] Kristen. I had a little interaction with [24:39] a woman that um I I I know sort of [24:42] socially a little bit and um she came up [24:44] to me and she was basically criticizing [24:46] me for not homeschooling our kids. Now I [24:48] have no intention of homeschooling our [24:50] kids. Um I really like the schools they [24:52] go to. I hated school when I was in it. [24:55] I have no desire to home I can't even I [24:58] have no I I could not get out of school [25:00] fast enough and my husband has a [25:01] full-time job. It is not possible for my [25:03] life. That doesn't mean other people [25:05] can't do it. I am not a trad wife. I [25:08] don't want to be a trad wife, Kristen. I [25:11] don't. I don't want to bake sourdough [25:13] bread and live on a farm. I'm totally [25:15] fine with the fact that I used to be a [25:17] party girl in the mid200s and go to [25:19] Vegas all the time and somehow have a [25:20] big career before I had kids. And I feel [25:24] like women like me are being shamed [25:27] within the Republican party. And like I [25:29] said, I'm in a mood today to like talk. [25:31] I I agree with Tommy. I think we are [25:34] having a very serious possibility of [25:36] alienating young women who are not triwd [25:38] wives going forward into not only the [25:40] midterms but possibly generationally. I [25:42] know this is something you're you're hot [25:44] on too. Do you have any thoughts on on [25:45] this as as a general topic? [25:48] >> Yeah, I I think I'll bring up what one [25:51] of my friends was trying to tell me [25:53] which is that this this this kind of and [25:56] I'm going to use the term misogyny. I [25:57] think it's been overused a lot over the [26:00] years and as you know I actually built [26:02] my channel on exposing false meto cases. [26:04] So I've actually spent most of my time [26:06] over the last 5 years arguing against [26:09] against victim oriented feminism. So [26:12] that's not what I'm talking about. But [26:14] there has been a strong movement online [26:16] and it's it's really gotten jenned up [26:18] during the in the aftermath here during [26:20] and in the aftermath of the Lindsey [26:22] Clansancy situation. But as you know, [26:24] it's been going on now for about a year [26:26] or so. There is a strong contingent of [26:30] commentators, influencers, and just [26:32] people on on the right who are posting [26:35] what are just blatantly misogynistic [26:38] things. Women are a bunch of [ __ ] I, [26:40] you know, the other day I posted a clip [26:41] from The Handmaid's Tale and in it, uh, [26:45] these two women are interacting with a [26:47] guy at a coffee shop and just out of the [26:49] blue, he just starts hurling abuse and [26:51] invective at them, calling them [ __ ] [26:54] And I feel like as a woman, that's often [26:56] what it's like now getting on Twitter [26:58] and trying to debate or or have a [27:00] conversation about gender issues or [27:02] Lindsey Clancy or any of these things. [27:04] And there is this loud contingent on the [27:06] right that basically wants to drag out [27:09] some of the worst behavior of of the [27:11] past that I thought we had mostly done [27:13] away with in society in terms of [27:14] encouraging of misogyny and and [ __ ] [27:18] shaming. You know, you talked about how [27:20] you had a party phase. I remember that [27:22] phase. You were very sex positive. Um, [27:24] and I thought that was a really powerful [27:25] voice for the Republican party at that [27:27] time which had I thought this puritan [27:29] this puritanical bent uh rooted in a [27:32] kind of a skewed uh fundamentalist [27:34] religiosity that really bothered me. And [27:35] so I appreciated you being a voice for [27:37] for that perspective. And I think that [27:40] and so my what I was getting at earlier [27:42] is my friend said to me, look, this is [27:44] just a phenomenon, a small phenomenon of [27:47] a group of loud, crazy, angry guys on [27:50] the internet. This is not how real [27:52] politicians think. this is not how your [27:54] leaders think. There's there's no danger [27:56] that you're going to lose the right to [27:58] vote and so forth. And here's my point. [28:00] Do I really think that any politician is [28:03] going to uh is going to get the right to [28:05] vote overturned, the 19th overturned? [28:07] No, I don't. But this what my issue is [28:10] that these kinds of statements were not [28:12] things that you could say in polite [28:14] company even a couple of years ago that [28:17] you couldn't even really say on Twitter. [28:19] And I'm not talking talking about [28:20] censorship, but I'm just saying these [28:22] are things that if you said some of this [28:23] stuff that other people would call you [28:26] to account for it or would would shun [28:28] you or would say this is not acceptable [28:29] or no that's not how we feel or no [28:31] that's not what the Republican party is [28:32] about. And I see more and more ma semi- [28:36] mainstream and mainstream commentators [28:38] from the right um saying things that [28:42] openly floating the idea of well are [28:44] women the problem? The other day I saw a [28:46] a right I don't want to call him out but [28:47] a right-wing commentator that I had [28:49] always respected [28:50] >> I don't care. [28:51] >> Well I don't [28:52] >> unless you're uncom [28:53] >> for us. Yeah. Yeah. For us because I'm [28:54] not here to attack him but it's the [28:56] point that um and people can believe me [28:57] or not if they want but it's the point [28:58] that this was a guy that I've done shows [29:00] with before and that I really respected [29:03] and he posted maybe women are the [29:05] problem. Now do I think that that [29:07] captures the nuance of his opinions [29:09] about women or do I think that he wants [29:10] to put me under a veil or something or [29:12] have me barefoot pregnant in the home? I [29:14] don't think so. But my point is that [29:16] there has been a shift of the Overton [29:18] window in the way that people on the [29:20] right feel comfortable or even or even [29:23] encouraged to talk about women that I am [29:25] uncomfortable with. And I do not think [29:27] that it does like Tommy Lahren. I do not [29:29] think that it does anyone on the right [29:31] any favors in the midterms. And I think [29:33] that and I think this kind of uber [29:35] traditionalism, you know, I think women [29:37] I think that children probably do have a [29:39] a healthier upbringing if you can have a [29:41] parent staying home with them or a [29:43] grandmother or an aunt or whatever. Um I [29:45] don't think daycarees generally are [29:47] healthy environments in some ways. I'm a [29:48] traditionalist, but I also I came from a [29:51] Southern Baptist East Texas family where [29:54] I was regularly taught uh women submit [29:57] wives submit to your husbands and where [29:59] I was told by many people that women's [30:01] place was exclusively in the home. And [30:03] this is something that a lot of people [30:04] thought we were getting away from with [30:05] the Republican party of a sort of a [30:07] puritanical moralizing to people about [30:09] their lifestyle, much less blatant [30:11] misogyny, calling women [ __ ] saying [30:13] they're stupid. I saw a a rep a [30:16] Republican the other day, kind of a [30:17] well-known Republican pundit posting the [30:19] other day about all the things that [30:20] women had ruined and uh and no more [30:23] women on the Supreme, no women on the [30:24] Supreme Court, no women presidents, and [30:26] all of this. And yeah, it's just [30:27] invective. It's a lot of it's just to [30:29] get clicks, but it's still disturbing to [30:30] me how the Overton window has shifted [30:32] because of what it what it indicates. [30:33] And I'll say one more thing. Movements, [30:37] social movements, political movements, [30:39] they do have to start somewhere. And a [30:41] lot of things, a lot of movements [30:43] historically that started as fringe. You [30:45] look at the Nazis, and I don't not [30:47] trying to say, oh, it's Hitler, but I'm [30:48] just saying that's a that's a touchstone [30:50] a lot of people understand. Something [30:51] can start as a fringe movement that's [30:53] not accepted by the majority, and it can [30:55] still through a perfect confluence of [30:57] events, it can still take hold of a [30:59] society. And I worry as a woman about [31:01] where all of this is going. [31:03] >> Yeah. And I think the thing that these [31:06] commentators and I know some of them and [31:08] don't know some of them and by the way [31:09] some of the people saying the worst [31:11] stuff about women are women like on [31:12] social media like conservative women [31:14] saying it as well. Um some of the things [31:16] that are that are hard for me right now [31:19] is again [31:21] >> I just want if you want to stay home and [31:23] be a trad wife go crazy. I don't care. [31:26] But don't shame women that that's not [31:28] their calling and that's not what they [31:29] want to do. And I do feel like we're in [31:31] this place where it's like if you're [31:33] just not just having 10 babies and being [31:36] at home that you don't have the same [31:37] sort of like level of respect. And then [31:39] I'm like look at you know uh conda rice. [31:43] Look at all the major women in the [31:44] conservative movement who have been [31:46] really important figures. And I think [31:48] that also the excuse me [clears throat] [31:51] childless cat lady comment that Vice [31:53] President Vance made which I know he has [31:55] since apologized for and said it was [31:57] like a stupid thing to say which I I [31:58] believe he believes that [32:00] >> but that comment has real cultural [32:04] staying power. I see child's cat lady [32:07] Christmas ornaments bumper stickers. I [32:09] saw a woman wearing a t-shirt child's [32:11] cat lady. I don't know this is probably [32:13] a year ago. Um, it is something that is [32:16] I think that is really going to [32:18] >> Can I say a couple of things about that [32:20] since you brought it up? [32:21] >> First of all, one reason why that [32:23] sentiment is is is problematic [32:26] politically and that was a horrible [32:27] mistake of him to make that is because [32:28] everyone knows that cats are amazing. [32:31] And so they just do. They just do. I [32:33] know we've got a few people who maybe [32:35] have never had a good cat experience and [32:36] you're just waiting to be converted. [32:39] [laughter] [32:39] >> There's two kinds of people. There's [32:40] either cat there's cat lovers or there's [32:42] people who are just waiting to be [32:44] converted. [32:45] >> But uh but seriously, it's like it's [32:47] like you're you're picking something [32:48] that people really actually most people [32:51] like or love and you're you're [32:53] demonizing that. And I know the point [32:54] that he's making is yeah cats aren't as [32:56] good as a child though, dumbass. But [32:58] evidently there are a significant number [33:00] of people who have doubts about that [33:02] premise because they're choosing to go [33:04] the cat route and not the child route. [33:07] And so what I want is respect for all [33:10] people's decisions with with, you know, [33:12] as long as they're moral, they're [33:13] ethical, they're not uh they're not [33:15] harming uh other people. But I want [33:17] respect for we're not all cut out of the [33:19] same cloth. And I grew up my mom has no [33:22] problem with me saying this. I grew up [33:24] in the original TRD household. And my [33:26] mom grew up in the original Trd [33:28] household. Her her mother, my [33:30] grandmother was a was a poor dirt farmer [33:33] in Louisiana. grew up during the [33:35] depression and then married and was a [33:37] farmer's wife. Um, in fact, at one point [33:40] when she was older, she asked her [33:42] husband if she could get her real estate [33:44] license because she wanted to develop [33:45] some interest of herself. She was a very [33:47] smart lady outside of the home and he [33:48] told her no, he wanted his wife to be [33:50] home full-time and so she acquiesed and [33:53] both of them came to regret that [33:54] decision. I I might say my mom also grew [33:58] up very traditionalist and she was the [34:01] original trad wife in all of the the [34:03] sort of the deepest ways and and East [34:05] Texas Southern Baptist wife. And that [34:07] was an extremely problematic life for [34:10] her and for us I might say. And so I [34:13] think that there are a lot of people out [34:14] there who have this sort of granola [34:16] crunchy idea of what it means to be a [34:18] trad wife. And they don't understand [34:19] that there is with everything there is a [34:21] dark side and and there are upsides and [34:23] downsides. And I think that right now [34:25] there are people on the right who are in [34:26] this kind of romanticized thrral to the [34:28] idea of getting back to traditionalism. [34:31] And though yes sure there was a lot of [34:32] great things in the past, but we're not [34:34] going back there in the way that they [34:36] want. and all of this invective online. [34:38] It's just it's not it's not helpful to [34:41] anyone. And one more thing about the JD [34:42] Vance comment, you had Usha Vance on [34:45] your show, right? Or you went on her [34:46] show. [34:47] >> That woman that woman ain't a trad wife. [34:50] Uh, I don't know if she's [34:51] >> No, she's wildly intelligent, [34:53] successful, [34:54] >> and I don't think she's on accomplished [34:56] >> and I don't think she's fully on board [34:57] with her husband and his opinions either [35:00] because she did clap back a little as [35:02] you know in that interview when uh when [35:04] he when they were talking about his [35:05] Christianity and she said, "Well, I [35:07] basically to paraphrase, I grew up in a [35:09] healthy functional household unlike him [35:11] and that's why I didn't feel the need to [35:13] convert to Christianity. I forgot about [35:15] that. I don't think that was my inter [35:17] was that my interview or I think that [35:19] was someone I don't think that was me. [35:20] Yeah. [35:21] >> But yeah. Well, that is a that's [35:23] interesting. I mean, that's a really [35:24] good point as well. I because I think [35:27] that again I'm I'm I'll be 42 in in a [35:30] month, so I'm you know, I'm older. Uh [35:33] there's this part where there's like a [35:34] lot of really young commentators in the [35:37] space where I'm like, you should respect [35:40] the [ __ ] who helped pave the way for [35:42] you, okay? There weren't a lot of women [35:44] with mics everywhere. When I came into [35:46] this industry thousand years ago in the [35:48] beginning of the stone age, [35:50] but there majority of green rooms I go [35:53] into, I was the only woman and was up [35:55] until I started working on women's shows [35:56] because it was easier. And there's a [35:58] part of me that's like you you want us [36:00] all to be trades, but you're also [36:02] benefiting from being political [36:03] commentators as well. And like I'm sorry [36:06] if you're a full trad [36:09] like there's someone producing this. I [36:11] have lighting. Ben's here with me. [36:13] You're here with me, Kristen. And I find [36:15] like some hypocrisy in it. And I do not [36:17] like the judgment. And I don't think [36:19] there's anything wrong with the life [36:20] choices I've made. And I just And the [36:22] final thing, you're one of my friends. [36:24] We're on several different group chats. [36:26] The people that I am drawn to in life, [36:29] they tend to be center right or right. [36:31] They just I mean some I have some [36:32] liberal friends, but the women I like [36:34] truly bond with are like they're [36:36] contrarian. They're iconoclass and [36:38] they're thinking something totally [36:39] different. It's why I liked you the [36:40] first the first time I met you. Our [36:42] friends like Jessica Krauss like people [36:43] who like are told you know whatever [36:47] Marilyn Manson did X and you're like I [36:48] don't think you did like and you and you [36:50] make content about it. Like I Drea de [36:53] Mateo is a friend of mine and she does [36:55] Only Fans. So I'm not supposed to be [36:57] friends with her because she does Only [36:58] Fans and she can't vote Republican [37:00] because she does Only Fans. I do not [37:02] accept the premise of any of this and [37:04] it's a great way to lose elections [37:06] anyway. [37:07] >> That's absolutely true. Uh and and I do [37:10] think again that normal American people, [37:12] your average person, even your average [37:14] person on the right, they are not down [37:16] with what I'm talking about this [37:18] phenomenon. And so again, I do [37:19] understand that a lot of this is just [37:21] created by social media. I would argue [37:23] as a segue maybe into talking about [37:25] Clansancy, the the Clansancy case. [37:26] That's where I want to go next. Well, I [37:28] was going to say I would argue that [37:30] whatever you think about it, whatever [37:31] side you're on, this would not have been [37:33] a nuclear issue online if this would not [37:36] have been a nuclear issue in society [37:38] like it has become if we did not have [37:40] social media because there are other [37:42] cases in the past where while it got a [37:44] lot of media attention, it did not seem [37:46] to have this uber divisive outraging [37:49] effect on on people. Uh so anyway, but [37:51] go ahead. I want to talk about Lindsay [37:53] Clancy, but just final putting a pin in [37:55] that. I had a conversation with a I'm [37:57] not going to say who it is, but a guy [37:58] that I know that's very conservative [37:59] recently who was married and got a [38:01] divorce and is now single and has had a [38:03] series of relationships that have he was [38:06] with a few years in, but they've [38:07] ultimately not worked out. And I started [38:09] talking to him and I said, "You should [38:10] try online dating." Because the vast [38:12] majority of my friends have met [38:13] wonderful people like they've been [38:14] successful in online dating. I have a [38:15] few friends that even got married off of [38:17] different apps they met. and he was [38:19] like, "There's nothing but same thing, [38:21] sluts." And what else do you say? And uh [38:23] he it's like on there and I was like and [38:26] I literally because I I haven't heard [38:28] that word in a long time. Like I haven't [38:29] like people don't really use that word [38:30] anymore. And I was like [38:32] >> what like what are you talking about? [38:33] And then I was like [38:34] >> you're in your 40s and you've been [38:36] married and you would like [38:38] >> what's your body count? Like what like I [38:40] would just like [gasps] what are you [38:42] talking about? Like you're like are we [38:44] under the impression that you're the [38:45] Virgin Mary here? Like what's this [38:46] conversation? And I also find the like [38:48] men talking about it like to be very [38:51] hypocritical in a lot of ways. [38:52] >> Of course, because who are the women [38:54] having who are the women having sex [38:56] with? They're not having sex with the [38:57] men. Well, and this is also something [38:58] this is like I said something that I've [39:00] just been concerned to see rising again [39:03] is there's look there's always been a [39:04] sexual double standard. We understand [39:06] that there are just reasons for that in [39:08] in nature and whatever. But again, [39:10] societyy's changing, technology is [39:12] changing, and I think there are a lot of [39:13] realities uh such as even birth control [39:16] that that that the right is inexplicably [39:19] now people on the right are inexplicably [39:21] turning against that have made a lot of [39:24] women's lives and a lot of people's [39:25] lives a lot easier. You know, I don't [39:27] know too many men who honestly, if you [39:29] ask them, honestly, are wanting to raise [39:32] 12 children. I mean, what is all of [39:34] this? Most most of the time, can I be [39:36] honest with you? I have known I have [39:38] known a number of women who have had [39:39] abortions and in almost every case it [39:43] was the man pushing for it. So I don't [39:45] you know what is this idea that women [39:47] are out here just running up their body [39:50] counts as high as they can. Most women [39:51] that I know really have not had people [39:55] don't have time to have that much sex. I [39:57] just don't you [laughter] know play. [40:01] >> And so I think so I think there's [40:04] there's a lot of Yeah. I think that [40:05] there's there is a lot of just sort of I [40:08] think I think also in a in a [40:10] psychosexual sense people have been [40:12] allowed to unleash their their Freudian [40:15] id online. There are guys and women [40:17] mouththing off and saying [ __ ] online [40:19] that they would never say to someone's [40:20] face, right? I guess your friend did. [40:22] But [40:23] >> but [40:24] >> I was literally like I wish you were [40:25] there or I wish someone had a camera [40:27] face. I was literally like I was like I [40:29] was like oh my god. And then when I told [40:30] my husband about afterward he was like [40:31] what was he saying? like he was [40:33] [laughter] and I was like he was like [40:34] yelling [ __ ] and I was like I was like [40:36] what is it? It was so jarring. And then [40:39] I said I said I was like I think this is [40:41] the like incel online. Like I think [40:44] that's where he's gotten this in his [40:47] 40s. I know we're clear like [40:49] >> and that's what I mean about the danger [40:51] the concern that I have about this the [40:52] Overton window shifting on this because [40:55] look men and women the relationship [40:57] between men and women it is by [40:59] necessity. it's going to be fraught and [41:01] it's complex and it's tense and it's [41:03] difficult and that that sort of like uh [41:05] like friction there is what creates [41:07] eroticism but also it creates a lot of [41:09] other things and there's a real like [41:11] dark side to it and I don't want to see [41:14] society fully allowing that to be [41:16] unleashed and I don't want to see people [41:17] on the right encouraging that because [41:19] again it's it's not even going to help [41:20] win elections. You guys are not you guys [41:22] and you ladies are not going to get the [41:24] 19th repealed. you're not going to get [41:26] women to decide that they're going to [41:28] step out of the workforce on mass. And [41:30] so, you know, you gotta you got to work [41:33] from from where you are and be realistic [41:35] on this. And I also, last thing I want [41:37] to say, you pointed out the hypocrisy [41:38] that so many of the women online like [41:42] Rachel Wilson for example, Candace Owens [41:44] is another, you know, make him a [41:46] sandwich, Miss Make him Him a sandwich. [41:47] So many of the women online who are [41:50] arguing these positions, they are uber [41:53] careerist. They have high ambitions. You [41:56] look at Rachel Wilson, you you tell me [41:58] that that woman is going to it's okay. [42:00] She's just she's another make him a [42:02] sandwich type. Andrew Wilson's wife, the [42:03] guy who debated uh Candace Owens, his [42:05] wife is a tratty. She claims she's not, [42:08] but she argues that women need to be [42:09] back in the home and they need to be [42:10] silent and they shouldn't have a voice [42:12] in society. Okay? And so you look at [42:14] these women, it's always the it's always [42:16] these women. Katie, I don't know if [42:18] you're friends with uh with Katie [42:19] Miller. No offense if you are, but Katie [42:21] Miller is online constantly pounding the [42:23] drums for women to have five, six, seven [42:26] kids. I know she's got a lot of kids, [42:27] but you know what she also has? She has [42:29] her podcast. How do you think she met [42:31] her fancy husband for Elon Musk? [42:33] >> Yes. Yes. So, what they want to do, what [42:35] I feel like some of these career women [42:37] who are who are who are now reformed [42:40] tratties, what I think that they're [42:41] trying to do is basically pull up the [42:43] ladder. They've climbed the ladder to [42:45] where they want to be in society and [42:47] they have their ambitions outside of the [42:49] home being fulfilled and they're very [42:50] stimulated and they've got social cache [42:52] and power and they want to tell all the [42:54] women back there behind them, "Sorry [42:56] sweetie, we're going back to a trad [42:58] society." It's ridiculous. [42:59] >> I think it's a backlash to the girl boss [43:02] era, too, which we were all sold like, [43:04] at least I feel like I was sold like a [43:06] bunch of lies at a certain time, like [43:08] working myself to the bone with no like [43:10] space for anything else in my life. I [43:12] think there's got to be something in the [43:13] middle between a girl boss and a trad [43:15] wife. I do too. And uh and I and I but I [43:18] totally agree with what you're saying [43:19] and I'm I have I feel like I've held my [43:21] tongue on this for a while and I am [43:23] exhausted with it. I'm just exhausted [43:25] with it. I don't think I've made any [43:26] decisions in my life that I'm ashamed [43:27] of. There's nothing just because I'm not [43:29] a trad. And again, if the conservative [43:31] movement wants to act like I somehow [43:33] don't belong at it, well, there are [43:34] hundreds of millions of women like me [43:36] that I guess are kicking out too. I do [43:38] want to get to the Lindsey Clancy case [43:39] because like you said there are people [43:41] uh we have very different I don't know [43:43] if we have very different but I you know [43:45] >> I think we probably do [43:47] >> we well okay so just I just want to show [43:49] one clip really quick because I hadn't [43:51] actually seen this uh well I actually [43:53] have two clips the first one is uh the [43:56] doctor who treated Lindsey Clansancy [43:58] testified that there was never signs of [44:00] psychosis and I fully admit to you and I [44:02] said on my show I have not I did not [44:04] watch the trial every day I was not like [44:05] a hardcore Lindsay clan [44:08] like I didn't watch it like like the OJ [44:09] trial. So, just please keep this in [44:11] mind, but I want to play number four. [44:14] >> Did you ever in this visit see signs of [44:16] um mania? [44:18] >> No. [44:19] >> And is that something you look for? [44:21] >> Yes. [44:22] >> And did you ever see signs of um [44:24] delusions or paranoia? [44:25] >> No. [44:26] >> How about psychosis? [44:27] >> No. Would it surprise you to know that [44:29] they indicated that they couldn't treat [44:30] her as a woman with postpartum psychosis [44:33] or postpartum depression or postpartum [44:36] anxiety or any of that because their [44:40] opinion was that she was suffering from [44:42] a an over medication? [44:44] >> It would surprise me. Yes. [44:47] >> Okay. I want to show one more clip if [44:49] you don't mind. So, uh, the one juror [44:52] who would not give a not-uilty, [44:55] uh, plea, I don't know the jargon for [44:57] it. Uh, the female juries on the case [45:00] have been complaining about him. Number [45:01] five, [45:02] >> arrogant. He really did not take [45:06] anything that anybody said. The nurses, [45:10] he he tried to ask a question about the [45:14] medications. And we went back to the [45:17] report from Southshore Hospital. We had [45:20] the toxicology report. We could see [45:22] exactly the amounts. The nurses in the [45:25] room spoke to that. And [45:27] >> nurses on the jury. There were nurses on [45:29] the jury. [45:30] >> Yes. [45:30] >> And they spoke to that that specific [45:34] thing. That was a question that he had [45:36] >> and he just completely disregarded the [45:40] information that they gave him. I mean, [45:41] he had reasonable doubt. He admitted he [45:44] had reasonable doubt after we watched [45:46] that video of the interview. I think [45:48] that's when it was. [45:49] >> He admitted he had reasonable doubt and [45:52] I started filling out the forms. I was [45:54] so excited. I actually there were three [45:57] forms I had to fill out and I started [46:00] filling them out. I wrote my signature [46:02] on each one. And then he said, "But I'm [46:05] still not going to say that she's not [46:07] guilty with by reason of insanity." [46:11] >> Okay. So, uh, the Lindsy Clancy case, I [46:15] feel the most tried, if you will, about [46:17] this, Kristen, and because I know that, [46:19] uh, for some reason this has been turned [46:20] into like a a MAGA thing, which I guess [46:22] I'm on the side of. For me, like, I just [46:25] don't care about what Lindsay Clancy was [46:28] going through. I don't care that she [46:31] claims to have psychosis, although that [46:33] doctor said that she didn't. I think she [46:36] strangled her children with exercise [46:39] bands, and that's all I need to know. [46:41] And as far as I'm concerned, she could [46:42] get the electric chair. I know you [46:44] disagree with me. Tell me your take and [46:46] your perspective on this and what you [46:48] think of those female jurors shaming the [46:50] the guy who wouldn't give the verdict, [46:51] the excuse me, guilty verdict, not [46:54] guilty, whatever he did. Sorry. [46:56] >> Well, my concern actually is is not so [46:59] much about Lindsey Clansancy herself or [47:02] even the sentence that she gets. I am [47:04] concerned about the way that I think and [47:06] I'm not talking about you with this but [47:08] just what I'm seeing in general online [47:10] by the way that this has now been made a [47:13] kind of a referendum on women and [47:16] women's competence in society and [47:19] women's sanity and and and I think that [47:22] there has been an effort online to say [47:24] that if you think that a not-uilty by [47:27] reason of insanity verdict would have [47:29] been appropriate here that you are [47:31] somehow dropping the ball ethically [47:33] morally [47:34] that uh you are ashamed to women and [47:37] that you are conceding then that women [47:39] are all just a bunch of crazies who [47:41] can't be trusted with jobs or the 19th [47:45] amendment or and and I would say well [47:48] it's it's interesting here if women [47:49] can't be trusted based on this case I [47:51] think actually the lesson is women can't [47:52] be trusted to have children and be [47:54] traditional moms maybe would be the [47:56] lesson if we're going to extract one but [47:57] I actually I don't I don't like the way [48:00] people are making this I don't like the [48:02] way that this case has become has been [48:05] has become a kind of referendum on women [48:08] and on women's place in society and I I [48:11] just what I would say is that even if [48:13] you disagree with an insanity verdict [48:16] this is something that we have been [48:18] doing this has been a a staple of [48:20] western juristp prudence for many many [48:23] years not just decades I mean hundreds [48:25] of years someone was talking about [48:26] online how it goes back to uh even the [48:29] classical Roman systems in a way that [48:31] there was this understanding that good [48:34] people could because of a significant [48:38] psychological defect in this case [48:40] medication or postpartum that good [48:42] people could for a period of time lose [48:45] their faculties to such an extent that [48:46] they really are not in control of their [48:49] behavior in the sense that we would [48:51] normally hold people criminally [48:52] responsible for. Now the problem with [48:55] this is that as you know it's a very [48:57] fuzzy line. I for one have always [49:00] believed that mental illness plays much [49:02] more of a role in what we consider to be [49:04] evil than people want to admit. And I'm [49:07] actually comfortable with the idea that [49:08] a lot of the people maybe many more [49:10] people who are currently in our prisons [49:13] um should be in mental hospitals [49:15] perhaps. And this is not something that [49:17] is popular among society because look, I [49:19] get it. There are three dead kids. It [49:21] makes people see red and they want [49:23] vengeance or they want justice. But I [49:26] guess that when it comes down to it, I [49:27] just see justice as something that you [49:30] never really get anyway. Um I think the [49:32] justice that the only justice that can [49:34] be really dispensed is gods. And so [49:36] we're left this with this question then [49:38] of of this woman who I believe that most [49:41] of the evidence is on the side of of the [49:43] of of the the idea that she was actually [49:45] a very good woman who did for a period [49:48] of time go crazy. Do I know that she was [49:50] hearing voices per se? I don't know. [49:52] That really could have been something [49:54] that they threw in there to try to make [49:56] to try to make the reality of her [49:58] illness seem more tangible to people. [50:00] But I just have not seen anyone present [50:02] a motive for what she did outside of [50:04] mental illness. She even, you know, and [50:07] and I I think that's why Patrick [50:08] Clansancy and his mother-in-law and the [50:11] people who know this couple actually [50:13] say, "Forgive her. She's a good woman. [50:15] Let this go." And so if they don't have [50:17] an issue with it, I'm not really sure [50:19] who this justice is going to be for. or [50:20] if you believe in heaven and that these [50:23] kids went to heaven, then they're there [50:24] now. And I don't I do not know I know [50:26] that there was that one freaky case that [50:28] happened recently of the mom who [50:30] supposedly was inspired by Clancy to [50:31] kill her kids, but I don't see this as [50:33] being like a great deterrent that [50:35] because of this um you know that we're [50:38] going to see all of these women now [50:39] [clears throat] on a rampage killing [50:41] their children. I just don't see that. [50:42] Andrea Yates, you know, I mentioned I'm [50:44] here in Texas. Andrea Yates did [50:46] eventually through court proceedings. [50:48] She did [50:48] >> What did she do? And I apologize. I [50:51] >> Well, she killed it was very similar. [50:52] She she she was having a kind of a [50:54] religious mania and psychosis and she [50:56] killed her kids. I think she drowned [50:58] them. And in fact, it was very tragic. [50:59] At one point she testified or it was [51:01] testified to that one of the kids uh [51:03] came out of it, woke up and said, [51:04] "Mommy, why are you doing this? Stop. I [51:06] I'm sorry." Right? Very tragic and [51:08] horrible. But she did end up um being [51:11] sent to a hospital. She did get off uh [51:14] not a quiddle for reason of insanity. [51:16] And then actually not too far from me, [51:19] my mom actually personally knew of this [51:21] case in the early 2000s, there was a [51:23] woman named Deanna Laney. She was a very [51:26] devout religious woman, uh, great [51:29] family. Uh, everyone who knew her [51:31] thought she was wonderful, but she [51:32] slipped into a kind of postpartum [51:34] psychosis and she thought God wanted her [51:37] to kill her kids. And so she bludgeoned [51:39] two of them to death and then the other [51:41] is still alive, but is permanently brain [51:43] damaged. And she did I I will concede [51:46] she did only spend eight years in a [51:47] mental hospital. Uh actually her um her [51:50] acquitt was not was uncontested by the [51:52] prosecution because all of their experts [51:54] also agreed that it was a clear case of [51:57] psychosis. And so she spent eight years [51:59] in an institution and now she's out and [52:01] there are all kinds of um requirements [52:02] stipulations for her. She has to stay [52:05] away from children. She has she can be [52:06] visited at any time by a social worker. [52:08] She has to give a regular piss test to [52:11] show that she's taking her medication. [52:13] And interestingly, in her case, within [52:14] weeks of being medicated, she suddenly [52:17] she she eventually saw um what she had [52:20] done and deeply regretted it. It was [52:21] very sad. She got on the medication and [52:23] then it it seemed to have cleared her [52:24] up. But I I guess so I guess um I [52:27] understand where you're coming from and [52:28] I can't argue that perspective because I [52:31] see it as a valid one. I I come from a [52:34] different perspective, but I think [52:35] hopefully what we could agree on is that [52:38] this should not this case has nothing to [52:40] do with how women should be judged. And [52:42] I think that we can I I will not allow [52:45] the manosphere or Matt Walsh to put me [52:48] in a box where I either have to concede [52:49] that this was not postpartum psychosis [52:52] or I have to concede that we women are [52:54] all a bunch of crazy harpies. And I'll [52:56] say one more thing, that clip that you [52:58] just played of those women on the jury, [53:00] I had not seen that before, but I have [53:02] been seeing on Twitter for hours now [53:05] Matt Walsh and other men talking about [53:07] how crazy these women in these [53:10] interviews come across. These women come [53:12] across very reasonable to me. I was [53:14] expecting to see screaming. I was [53:15] expecting to see some signs of like [53:18] personality disordered women. They [53:20] actually seem to be very thoughtful. I [53:22] don't know, guys. What is it that you [53:23] don't like? That they're middle-aged, [53:25] that they've got long hair, that they're [53:26] not conventionally attractive, that [53:28] they're speaking with a slightly raised [53:30] voice, that they're making some good [53:32] points about a what seems to be a very [53:34] real deficit on the part of this male [53:36] juror to follow the instructions he was [53:38] given? What part of this is crazy? I [53:42] don't get it. [53:44] >> I think um and I hear everything that [53:46] you're saying and I do think people [53:48] jumping to like women should have the [53:50] 19th amendment which is obviously the [53:51] right to vote taken away from us is it's [53:53] just absurd. I mean it's just like [53:54] absolutely ridiculous. I agree with you. [53:56] I I think I have been um alarmed and [54:00] confused and I know that like there are [54:03] people who wanted to like date Jeffrey [54:05] Dmer after he was like in jail. Like I [54:07] get that there's like a certain segment [54:09] of the population, men and women, who [54:11] like are attracted to criminals and [54:14] murderers. And again, like you want to [54:16] talk about Freud, like I'm not a [54:17] psychologist, but like feel free to go [54:19] with that. I think the thing that's been [54:20] confusing for me is I'm on TikTok. [54:22] There's a lot of women who are like [54:24] these younish moms who are like I [54:27] understand Lindsay Clancy and people [54:29] wearing pink outside her trial and [54:32] people like supporting her like [54:34] whatever. Again, if she is convicted of [54:37] being temporary insane, which I know [54:38] even going back to Roman days, that's [54:40] something people like, you know, [54:41] considered as something that can happen [54:42] to human beings. I'm not saying [54:43] different. But I think what's confusing [54:45] for me is this social media trend of [54:49] supporting her. Like, I just don't [54:51] understand that. I don't get. And to me, [54:54] a lot of this is this is um uh this is a [54:58] little crass, but there was a comedian [55:00] uh who tweeted uh this is OJ for white [55:03] women. And honestly, when I saw those [55:04] jurors, I thought of that juror in the [55:06] OJ case that was like, "Yeah, she did an [55:09] interview like way past the point." And [55:11] I think it's on the HBO documentary. She [55:12] was like, "He obviously did it, but this [55:14] was about more than him. This was about [55:16] like the way black men are treated in [55:17] America." And there's something about [55:18] this that it's like I don't know. I I I [55:21] feel like everyone's not being [55:23] intellectually honest. She has pled [55:25] guilty though. like like I don't what [55:28] are you not and then there's all these [55:30] people who are like you know the husband [55:31] did it blah blah blah which is obviously [55:33] nonsense. Um I don't know that's my my [55:36] alarm about it but I do think there are [55:38] bad actors taking those facts and [55:39] running with it in the worst possible [55:41] way. Well you bring up several things [55:43] there. First of all, Funny, you should [55:45] mention OJ because I was too was [55:48] outraged at the time over this verdict. [55:50] And I'm not going to say that there were [55:52] not stupid jurors on that that jury who [55:55] had who engaged in ridiculous reasoning. [55:58] But, you know, I went back and I looked [56:00] at the OJ case again when the Ryan years [56:02] ago when the Ryan Murphy show came out [56:04] just out of interest. And one of the [56:07] things that I really had to come to [56:08] terms with was how badly LAPD [56:13] bungled the crime scene on that and how [56:16] many really serious mistakes they [56:18] actually did make and and really they [56:22] deserve to have the DNA discounted. I I [56:24] and that's why Michael Tracy, for [56:26] example, who is one I think a really [56:29] astute person online when it comes to [56:30] these cases, that's why Yeah. That's why [56:33] he said also that he thought that the OJ [56:35] verdict was a fair one even though he [56:38] thought OJ was totally guilty. And so I [56:40] only bring that up because in these [56:42] cases it's very easy in in sort of the [56:45] initial run of things to see things a [56:47] certain way. And I'm not saying again [56:48] you're wrong to to say that there's some [56:51] ridiculousness online. Uh, but I also [56:53] think that the reality for a jury that [56:56] sat there for for many days and poured [56:59] over the evidence, you know, for [57:00] example, you showed a clip there of a [57:02] doctor who was saying, "Well, when we [57:03] examined her, she was she didn't show [57:05] this or she was fine." I've known [57:07] mentally, deeply mentally ill people [57:09] over the years, and they fluctuate [57:11] greatly. Sometimes they won't be in the [57:12] mood to be honest with a a doctor or [57:14] sometimes they just not might not be [57:16] exhibiting those symptoms at that [57:17] moment. And I've also known a lot of [57:19] people in the medical and and [57:21] psychiatric fields and they're not [57:22] always the best at their jobs and at [57:24] picking up things that they should or [57:26] understanding the crazy ways that these [57:28] powerful psychiatric drugs can interact. [57:30] Um that having been said also about the [57:33] Patrick Clansancy uh the people who [57:35] think that he did it. I I will say this. [57:37] I don't think that Patrick Clancy did [57:39] it. And I think and I and I think there [57:42] are legitimate reasons to put that [57:44] theory away. But I'll also say this. I [57:46] had a lot of disdain for these women [57:48] initially and then a friend of mine who [57:51] does believe that he did it. She started [57:53] going through all of the problems with [57:55] the prosecution's case and with things [57:58] that actually don't seem to really make [58:00] sense about the case and about things [58:02] that and you know the the the husband [58:04] and father is usually the one that they [58:07] look to first in these kinds of family [58:09] annihilations. Now, I understand Lindsay [58:10] Clancy. They said, "Well, she admits to [58:12] it." But, uh, but I think that there are [58:14] people who believe that Lindsey [58:16] Clansancy might not have been in a [58:17] condition with everything that happened [58:20] to know exactly what was going on. [58:22] People can be talked into things, [58:23] especially, you know, you wake up and [58:25] you're told, "Oh, you did this." Again, [58:27] I think it's BS theory, too. But I think [58:30] that also there are a lot of people who [58:32] are getting painted with a brush sort of [58:34] an an idiot a brush as as being idiots [58:37] when in fact we're just seeing little [58:39] unflattering snippets of their opinions [58:41] and sort of this case being created that [58:44] like oh there are all of these women who [58:45] just they've been watching too much uh [58:47] you know true crime Tik Tok and their [58:49] brains are fried and oh my god and to me [58:51] it almost has the makings of kind of a [58:52] mass moral panic over this. Um, I don't [58:56] know. Last thing I want to say is I [58:59] think that there are those of us who [59:00] look at cases like the Casey Anthony [59:02] case, for example, and we just see clear [59:04] differences between that is a woman who [59:07] I do think should be rotting forever and [59:09] we see clear differences between a case [59:11] like that where you had an obviously out [59:13] >> an obvious Yeah. Oh, yeah. Her attorney [59:15] got her off. Um, but an obviously [59:17] narcissistic woman who after and who [59:21] tried to hide the body of the child and [59:22] do it quietly so she could get away with [59:24] it. that I mean Lindsay Clancy, she [59:25] killed her kids in the open. She wasn't [59:27] hoping to be free of motherhood to have [59:30] that off her back. She had to have known [59:32] that she was setting herself up for a [59:34] life in prison or many years in a mental [59:37] institution. That's not freedom. So I I [59:39] still just don't see the motive. I think [59:41] basically where you and I would differ, [59:42] Megan, is we probably could agree that [59:44] there was some strong mental illness [59:46] here, but that I think the difference is [59:48] that you would say that people are still [59:50] ultimately culpable for these kinds of [59:52] horrific acts in a stronger way than I [59:54] would than I would concede. [59:57] >> Yeah, I do think that's where we break [59:58] away and that's where a lot of women [59:59] break away and that's totally fine. It [60:01] is. Um, you know, I for one, I would [60:04] love to watch a deep dive on your [60:06] channel when [laughter] I know you're [60:07] returning. if you do any Lindsy [60:10] Clansancy content, I would love to watch [60:11] it. Um, I mean, if you're interested, [60:14] you have a very, you know, interesting [60:16] >> and I just want to say, too, like, uh, I [60:18] told somebody that I was coming on your [60:19] show and they had seen they had seen [60:22] some of your coverage of the Clansancy [60:23] of the Clansancy case, and they said, [60:25] "Oh my god, are y'all going to tear each [60:26] other up?" And I said, "Actually, what [60:28] people don't know about you, Megan, is [60:30] that you are you are one of the few [60:32] people that I know who who really can [60:35] handle having very different strong [60:38] opinions from other people and still [60:40] maintain a respect for them. And I have [60:42] I have had lots of fallings out with [60:44] people over my last five years here on [60:47] YouTube and on social media. People that [60:49] loved me until I took a strong position [60:51] against them or against something that [60:53] they cared about. And then as you know [60:55] things kind of get weird and things fall [60:57] apart and Yeah. And I you were one of [60:59] the few people that really has the [61:01] strength the strength of character to [61:03] disagree with people and still maybe [61:05] it's your upbringing. Maybe your dad [61:06] taught you something about politics. I [61:08] don't know. [laughter] [61:09] >> Well, also it is I personally hate [61:11] content where people just sit around [61:13] agreeing with each other. I think it's [61:14] so boring. So if you want to disagree [61:16] about anything anytime, I'm more than [61:18] happy to to have conversations. But [61:21] there's a lot of stuff. Like I said, I [61:22] think that you're you're so brave, [61:24] Kristen, and I love your work and um you [61:27] know, there's so much coming out that I [61:29] always want your opinion on. I'm really [61:30] glad you're not leaving your YouTube [61:31] channel permanently. I was a little [61:33] nervous. Six months is a break. Six [61:35] months is like a beat. Um and uh yeah, I [61:38] just really and there's a lot more stuff [61:40] coming up. I feel I just I feel a little [61:43] I tend to be like a tiny bit psychic [61:44] about politics and I think that there's [61:46] really tenuous waters coming between now [61:48] and 2028. And I hope that you'll come [61:50] back and talk to me about everything [61:51] because, you know, we do agree on on so [61:54] much of it. And this women's stuff is no [61:56] joke. It is absolute atomic bomb that's [61:59] going to go off in the party if we just [62:00] decide that women shouldn't vote for us. [62:02] I mean, where the hell is that? Leave [62:03] leave the party. Um, Kristen, anything [62:06] else you want to add before we say [62:07] goodbye? [62:08] >> No. No. It's a great conversation and I [62:10] appreciate I appreciate your channel as [62:12] being one of the last places that I feel [62:14] like I can go and have this kind of [62:16] nuanced conversation [62:18] >> anytime. And I would never rip your I I [62:21] don't know if I've ever ripped anyone's [62:22] head off. [62:23] >> Well, you have the same issue that I [62:24] have, which is that people people see [62:26] how how we are online and they think [62:29] that we must be on a more personal level [62:31] highly antagonistic, which actually for [62:33] people who know me know is the opposite. [62:35] I'm rather passive by nature. So, [62:38] >> that I went to a nail salon last week [62:39] and the lady behind the desk recognized [62:41] me, which like very rarely happens [62:43] anymore, and she was like, "You're so [62:44] calm and you're you're just getting a [62:46] manicure." And I was like, "Do you [62:47] expect me to like throw a chair and be [62:49] like text or like selling it?" [62:52] >> They do getting a manicure. [62:53] >> They do, but they they they [laughter] [62:55] do. And I and I have to remind myself [62:57] that is the power of media that we're [62:58] all susceptible to. And you know, that's [63:00] one of the things with uh you mentioned [63:01] the Marilyn Manson case and it's like [63:03] people don't realize how actually quiet [63:06] and passive and and calm he is. So [63:09] anyway, [63:10] >> I I wonder if there's going to be more [63:11] updates on that because uh she's coming [63:13] out with a another interview or [63:15] something. [63:15] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, she had she has a whole [63:17] documentary out. Well, another one that [63:18] we didn't have time to talk about, Amber [63:20] Heard. She has a new documentary coming [63:21] out. Trashing Johnny Depp. She won't [63:22] leave it alone. Elon's baby mama won't [63:24] leave it alone. [63:26] >> I'm happy to talk about anything anytime [63:28] you want to come on. Um, check out [63:30] Colonel Curts uh 99 on YouTube. Kristen, [63:34] thank you so much. I really appreciate [63:35] the conversation. Come on anytime. We [63:37] love you. [63:38] >> Thanks for pinch hitting for Miranda. 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