Transcript [00:47] Hello and welcome to Citizen McCain. [00:50] It's Monday, September 14th. We have a [00:52] proof of life with Miranda today. She is [00:56] Are you okay? [00:57] >> I'm Yeah, I'm I'm getting there. I'm [00:58] getting there. Um, I don't have my [01:00] >> shingles. [01:02] >> Yeah, [01:03] >> but it sounds like so insane to say [01:07] because it's like an old lady, like an [01:08] old person disease. [01:10] >> It's awful. Yeah, [01:11] >> it's like, oh my god, I would not wish [01:13] it on anybody. Um, my my poor [01:17] Your light turn your light. [01:18] >> My light just came on. Thank you so [01:19] much. [01:22] >> It's a very professional show. Um, yeah, [01:25] I would not wish this on anybody. I'm [01:27] not in my normal setup. I'm in a [01:28] different part of my house that Ashley [01:30] says has too much morning light and uh [01:32] don't have my headphones or my [01:33] microphone and I have no makeup on and [01:36] I'm in my glasses. So, hello. Um but I [01:39] want to show you guys my outfit because [01:41] we all need to [01:42] >> we all need to put on our good juju for [01:44] Kate Ollin. [01:46] >> Yes. Wait, really quick. The Emmys are [01:48] tonight and we don't care about the [01:49] Emmys except Yes. We want Widows Bay to [01:53] win everything. And we want her uh to [01:56] win. What does she have up for? Best [01:58] supporting actress. Is that right? [02:00] >> Beat actress in a comedy. Whatever. [02:02] She's up against a lot of people who are [02:04] uh probably going to beat her butt cuz [02:06] she's a underdog, but she's got a lot of [02:09] um really good vibes going her way. And [02:12] I hope she wins. And I think she's going [02:14] to win. Um Betty Gilpin already won her [02:17] um [02:18] >> best guest actress. Uh she won a for her [02:22] role in like uh the episode was called [02:26] our history and it was the one that [02:28] where they go back in time and show Yes. [02:30] >> found her and all that stuff. Betty [02:32] Guppin already won. They already did [02:34] like a side ceremony because the shows [02:36] were getting way too long. But the Emmys [02:37] are tonight. They're hosted by MKA [02:38] Hargate. [02:40] >> Um and expect a lot of stuff. Reeba [02:42] McIntyre is going to do a tribute to [02:44] Dolly Parton. That's going to be really [02:46] nice and beautiful. And so, [02:48] >> yes, [02:48] >> um, I will be watching a lot. [02:50] >> I'll be texting everyone while we're [02:52] watching. But, widows bae. Widows bae. [02:55] Widows, let her win. Please give us what [02:57] we want. Hollywood can like start [02:58] winning us over that. She deserves it. [03:00] The show deserves it. And I'm not going [03:02] to give too much away to everybody, [03:03] okay? I don't want to give too much [03:05] away, but there may be some Widows Bay [03:07] Halloween costumes here at Citizen [03:08] McCain. I'm just saying there may or may [03:10] not. [03:12] >> Right there. [03:13] >> I may be trying to figure out how to [03:14] fashion some antlers onto my headphones. [03:18] that [03:19] >> because we're gonna have Pat Patricia's [03:20] [ __ ] sunset cocktails here. Um, [03:23] >> I want to thank everybody for all your [03:24] really sweet messages. I got and read [03:26] all of your lovely DMs. Thank you so [03:28] much. I have been asleep for like a [03:29] week. Um, that's basically what Shingles [03:32] does is it makes you look like a hideous [03:34] beast. I had horrible scabs and like [03:36] scars and rashes. I texted Megan. She [03:39] was disgusted and probably vomited. And [03:41] then [03:42] >> Oh, I feel terrible for you. It looks so [03:44] painful. And then uh it's like weird [03:47] body pains like um neurop like pins and [03:50] needles but like all over your whole [03:51] body and it's just horrible and like [03:54] really strange to describe and you just [03:56] want to sleep the whole time. And so [03:58] that's what I did and uh thank you to my [04:00] lovely family and everybody who [04:01] supported me and all of you guys my [04:03] favorite little normie citizens and I [04:05] will go away because our wonderful [04:07] >> our friend Nong's here. [04:10] >> We just want to say I miss you terribly. [04:12] Uh come back when you're healthy. [04:13] Miranda will be on the chat with us. [04:16] >> I was gonna say I'm hanging out because [04:17] I want I like this show. I just love the [04:19] show. So, I'm gonna watch the show. [04:21] >> I miss you and you know more about this [04:23] next subject than I do. But, uh I only [04:26] geeky with you guys about this stuff [04:28] because I'm I'm so obsessed with it. You [04:30] know how obsessed I am about AI and the [04:33] dangers. [04:33] >> But we crossing our fingers we'll be [04:35] back Wednesday. [04:36] >> I I will be back Wednesday. You can see [04:38] that I'm chunking. [04:41] Nothing to But she's okay. But I still [04:44] take one more. We didn't have a fight. [04:47] There wasn't any drama. I'm just very [04:48] sick. So, [04:49] >> hello. Wait. Say hi to Wong before you [04:51] pop off. [04:52] >> I'm so sad I can't hang out with you [04:53] guys. But, uh, [04:55] >> all good. Get well soon. [04:56] >> Thank you. I'm gonna I'm gonna be a tiny [04:59] box. Make me a tiny box and I'm I'm [05:01] gonna hang out. [05:02] >> Well, without further ado, this is our [05:04] friend Anong Matal who is the man [05:06] managing director at the Alliance for [05:07] Secure AI and the lead creative at the [05:10] frontier of AI policy. Anything else you [05:12] want to say? You have a bunch of stuff, [05:14] your Substack, all the your things you [05:16] run. Can you just give [05:18] >> a bunch of Substack, but X manager, I'm [05:20] no longer there. Um, and we're going to [05:21] talk about we're going to talk about the [05:22] AI policy part of that. So, [05:25] >> I want to get into AI. So, just a just a [05:27] background. I texted Anong last night [05:29] and I was like, I just don't understand [05:30] this story enough to to talk about it on [05:32] my own and I know you're an expert and [05:34] you understand these things very well. [05:37] But just really quick, I want to show [05:39] you something before we get into AI [05:40] because there's a lot to to to deep dive [05:42] on. But I just wanna I want to say [05:44] something really quick. So sometimes I [05:46] come into our little tiny studio with [05:48] Ashley and I'm in a great mood and I'm [05:50] happy and I'm I'm like fine today. But [05:52] in the car on the way over, Ben actually [05:54] dropped me off cuz we have to get our [05:56] car serviced. I am so excuse my French [06:01] [ __ ] mad. I'm really [ __ ] mad. And [06:04] I want to show you something which I [06:05] know you've already seen. So Bo French, [06:07] who that's apparently his real name, [06:09] who's a Republican candidate for Texas [06:11] Railroad Commissioner, posted a series [06:13] of xenophobic and uh racist social media [06:15] posts taking aim at students of color [06:18] for celebrating the University of Texas [06:19] football game. We have the photo right [06:21] here. His tweet, I heard UT graduation [06:24] this year looked like this. I don't [06:25] believe it. The problem is now obviously [06:27] far worse than anyone imagined. Uh [06:29] Senator John Cornin responded, "This is [06:31] the Republican nominee for statewide [06:33] office. any other Republican- elected [06:35] officials going to condemn the [06:37] intolerance and racism or look the other [06:39] way while it becomes normalized. This is [06:41] how great uh political parties [06:43] self-destruct. I want to say a few [06:45] things. Um to get into uh UT you there [06:49] they highly prioritize Texas residents [06:51] and Texans to get into their school. [06:52] They want to have it like a majority [06:54] Texas school. Can we keep the photo up [06:55] just for a second if you don't mind? [06:57] These students are more than likely [06:58] Texans because like I said, I think it's [07:00] like 75% you have to I I would like like [07:03] my kids to maybe possibly go to UT, but [07:05] you have to live in Texas. Um, they're [07:07] probably second generation immigrant [07:09] family is probably born and raised in [07:11] this country. They're wearing cowboy [07:13] hats and cheering and excited for the [07:16] University of Texas football game. Isn't [07:18] this what we want? Isn't this what we [07:20] want? Don't we want people to come here [07:22] and become Americans that are excited [07:24] about football and looking like they're [07:25] having the blast of their entire life? [07:27] What? What the Why does everybody have [07:29] to be so racist all the time? This [07:32] really pissed me off. And I want to say [07:33] one more thing. My sister looks like [07:36] that. So when I have a family photo, [07:38] does Bo French, the Republican candidate [07:41] for Texas rail commissioner, does he [07:43] think that we don't look American [07:44] enough? Is my family not American [07:46] enough? obviously uh you know Indian [07:49] American uh you know from an immigrant [07:52] family and I and by the way Anong was [07:54] already coming on. I just wanted to talk [07:55] to you about it because you're writing [07:56] about it. I'm so mad at this and I'm so [08:00] tired I'm so tired of being a Republican [08:02] and like like this [ __ ] being on the [08:05] periphery. This like white nationalist [08:08] they're having a great time at a [08:09] football game. I know nothing about [08:10] football, but I know this was like a [08:12] really important football game and UT [08:13] won and everyone was excited. Can you [08:15] just explain to me your perspective on [08:17] it because you are, you know, you've [08:18] worked in Republican politics your [08:20] entire adult life? [08:21] >> Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty racist and [08:23] I think that's this is why everybody was [08:24] up in arms and a lot of Republican [08:26] politicians even condemned it because it [08:28] was a bunch of kids having fun at a [08:30] football game. This wasn't like people [08:32] who are, you know, involved in crime or [08:35] any kind of, you know, various all the [08:37] policy issues, all the immigration [08:38] issues we have. This was not that issue. [08:41] This was just people having fun. And I [08:42] think the racism kind of got in the way [08:45] of everybody enjoying the victory at UT [08:47] and he kind of ruined it for everybody [08:49] and that's kind of the response that [08:50] everybody's making. Um, and yeah, like [08:52] I'm I'm also not like the I'm I'm a [08:54] nerd. I'm not a football guy, but that [08:56] was the that was the biggest outrage in [08:58] 2024 that Vic Ramos Swami said we need [09:01] to be more Americans need to be more [09:03] computer scientists and less into sports [09:05] and everybody got mad about that. And [09:06] now there's Indian-Americans who are [09:08] into sports and now everybody's mad [09:09] about that. So you practice your own [09:12] culture and you know while you're [09:14] involved in America and you're involved [09:15] in you know you're part of civic life [09:17] and part of life in America you practice [09:18] your own religion as everybody's allowed [09:20] to do that's not allowed because then [09:22] you're not assimilating into the [09:24] country. Um and then you you go and [09:26] celebrate football. Well that's not [09:27] allowed because you're now an invader. [09:29] So I think I I've been kind of silent [09:31] about this for the most part because I [09:32] did not want to rock the boat on this [09:34] but I think at this point it's gotten [09:36] this was like one of the most blatant [09:37] displays of racism. Again, I'm a [09:39] Republican. Been all my Republican all [09:41] my life, all my adult life. [09:43] >> I've never had an issue with anybody, [09:45] you know, you know, I people when people [09:46] say America is a racist country, all [09:47] that stuff. I am the first person to [09:49] say, "No, BS. You you do not get to talk [09:52] about my country like that." And I think [09:54] at this point, it's very obvious that [09:55] there are people who are in the [09:56] Republican party. And like I said, there [09:59] are extremists, but they're the they're [10:00] the loud loudest voices in the room, and [10:02] they're kind of crowding out all of [10:03] this. And again, if you're okay with [10:05] that, go fine. Go ahead. Be okay with [10:08] that. But then just be aware that this [10:09] is like pretty racial rhetoric. If you [10:11] if you see like five brown people in a [10:13] stadium full of 100,000 people of all [10:16] colors, all races, and you have a [10:17] problem because and he said, you know, [10:19] oh, this is what graduation probably [10:20] looks like. It's like, no, it's 100,000 [10:22] people and you you saw like 10 Indian [10:25] brown kids who you don't know if they're [10:26] Christian, you don't know if they're [10:27] Hindu, you don't even know they're [10:28] Indian. They could be of different [10:30] races, ethnicities. You assume that they [10:32] are not they are somehow don't belong [10:34] because why? Because they're not white. [10:36] That is the definition of racism. Like [10:38] again, as somebody who's like fought [10:40] that that idea that, you know, the [10:42] right-wing Republicans, conservatives, [10:44] well, they just hate Barack Obama. I've [10:46] been in politics for more than 15 years. [10:48] Like, I've always had to fight that [10:49] issue on the on the side of Republicans. [10:51] And so, this guy has just ruined it for [10:53] a lot of people. And it's not the first [10:55] time. This is not the first time. This [10:56] is the most visible. And that's why [10:58] people like John Cornin and many other [11:00] politicians are are talking out about [11:01] it. And I think this is an indic [11:04] indication of where things are going [11:06] because the next couple of electoral [11:08] cycles, not just this cycle, are going [11:10] to be about these kind of issues. And [11:12] they are absolut and when you talk to [11:13] Gen Z Indians, when you talk to Gen Z [11:16] younger kids of who are white or [11:18] non-white, they are absolutely turned [11:20] off by this kind of behavior and this [11:21] kind of talk, they do not want to they [11:23] do not want to be thinking about these [11:24] issues or be dealing with these issues [11:26] when they're just trying to live life, [11:28] enjoy a football game. That is not and [11:30] even like I I don't think you interject [11:32] just one second. Yeah. Yeah. [11:33] >> Yeah. Sorry. Um so everything you're [11:35] saying I completely echo the the [11:40] how do you say the thing we're not [11:43] talking about in regards to this is Bo [11:45] French the possible next Texas road [11:47] commissioner? What happens at the 2028 [11:50] convention when it's more than likely JD [11:51] Vance and his half Indian family and [11:53] Indian wife goes on stage? Do you have [11:55] those same feelings or is it just when a [11:58] bunch of people are are are watching a [11:59] football game? I think this is still [12:01] extremism on the periphery. I do think [12:03] like the vast majority of Republicans [12:05] are good people, but we can't ignore the [12:06] fact that this is in our party and that [12:08] it like I said the sentiment [12:09] particularly against Indian-Americans [12:11] seems to be growing. You brought up the [12:12] vecram swami. I've seen stuff about him [12:14] that is just like same thing like you [12:16] I'm not a person who cries racist so [12:19] easily. I mean, you know, obviously I I [12:21] take every topic and every instance by [12:23] its own own case, but I'm getting [12:26] alarmed about this. And so what what [12:28] happens going into 2028 with you know [12:31] our f our possible next first lady being [12:34] an Indian a successful Indian-American [12:37] woman who by the way like is pretty [12:40] beloved in the country. [12:41] >> Yeah. And not not a Christian and her [12:43] family is not Christian and and and [12:44] again maybe the kids are I think they're [12:46] they're raising them both in in the [12:48] Christian faith which is as is their [12:50] want. Everybody should be allowed to do [12:52] whatever they want when they come to [12:53] this country and are part of the civic [12:55] life, are paying taxes, are living, you [12:57] know, legal life. They're not criminals. [12:58] Like, you should not be harassed or [13:00] questioned about your identity. Even on [13:02] Twitter, some people were like, "Well, [13:03] why are they all hanging out together?" [13:04] It's like, "So, you're basically the [13:06] reverse. You're doing reverse BLM." When [13:08] whenever the the leftist back in in the, [13:10] you know, five, six years ago would be [13:11] like, "Oh, look at all this [13:12] overwhelmingly white crowd." Because it [13:14] was a tea party. And again, I was the [13:16] person be like, "No, I'm here. I'm I'm a [13:18] brown person. I'm here. It's not just [13:19] all white people." So now you're [13:20] reversing it where if you see some [13:22] people who are not white hanging out [13:23] together, oh clearly they're invading [13:25] what? Why? Just because you don't like [13:27] it because you are seeing it from a [13:28] racial lens. So we're reversing the AI [13:30] for everybody on the on the extreme [13:32] right in my opinion. And yeah, Usha [13:34] Vance like there there's already [13:35] negative comments about her from many of [13:37] the people on the on the far right and [13:39] they are only going to get worse. And [13:41] again, I don't want to claim to speak [13:43] for JD Vance or Usha Vance. However they [13:45] live their life, they are that is up to [13:46] them. That is up to them to define it. [13:48] They're going to have to defend that. [13:49] not just to the Republican party but [13:51] then to the entire country. And if [13:53] you're not defending your own wife then [13:54] and that's you know again people have [13:55] said that I'm not the only person saying [13:57] that if if you cannot defend your wife [13:59] on the grounds of she's allowed to be [14:01] here she you should not be questioning [14:03] her race or ethnicity her religion then [14:05] that is going to be an issue for the [14:06] voters to decide. [14:08] >> Um we got to move on from this but I [14:10] just had to had to bring it up to you. I [14:12] appreciate your insight as usual. Um, I [14:14] just want to ask you, this was the what [14:17] was percolating, like I said, um, all [14:20] over social media. I don't pretend to [14:22] understand this, so that's why you're [14:23] here. Okay. Um, anthropic CEO Daario [14:27] Amod, I believe I'm saying his name [14:29] right, is calling for more oversight of [14:31] AI, arguing that um, something this [14:33] powerful shouldn't be controlled [14:34] entirely by private companies and that [14:37] government and the public need a role. [14:38] Anthropic itself supports regulation and [14:41] safeguards for increasingly capable AI. [14:44] Apparently the risks that he's concerned [14:46] about. It sounds like something from [14:47] Xmachina. It's like it can uh use AI for [14:51] cyber attacks, surveillance scams, [14:52] influence operation, and even biological [14:55] weapon warfare. Um I just want to play [14:57] you a clip really quick of JD Vance who [15:00] was asked about this this morning. [15:01] Number 15. [15:05] We actually regulate smartly and we're [15:07] we're we're thoughtful about the risk [15:09] here. So there are obviously risks to [15:11] AI. There are some benefits to AI. I I I [15:14] I have to say just personally I feel a [15:17] little bit weird about the fact that you [15:20] have so many frontier AI tech companies [15:23] kind of coming to the government and [15:24] begging the government to regulate them. [15:26] It feels a little bit to me like a bit [15:28] of a Trojan horse. So I think we just [15:30] have to be careful about this. Um, the [15:32] other thing the president has said [15:33] pretty consistently is we know that the [15:35] Chinese are engaged in this long-term AI [15:37] race against the United States. We want [15:39] to make sure the United States we do [15:41] things smartly, but we stay ahead of the [15:43] curve. [15:43] >> So, you don't think Americans should be [15:44] scared about the way AI is trending [15:47] right now? [15:47] >> Well, look, any technology has risks. [15:49] Any new technology is going to be bring [15:51] both risks and benefits. I think what [15:53] the president has said is we want to be [15:55] smart about making sure we stay on top [15:57] of the risks. I don't think Americans [15:59] should be scared of anything. I think [16:02] that we have to be mindful that there [16:04] are risks, there are downsides to [16:05] anything. And that's certainly true of [16:07] AI. [16:09] >> So, Anong, you know me very well. Um, [16:11] I'm always think the the end of the [16:12] world is coming. I'm always 10 seconds [16:14] away from texting you that we should all [16:16] just go to Sedona and hunker down. Um, [16:18] are the robots coming to kill me? I I [16:20] don't I'm so sorry. And can you explain [16:22] this to women like me or men, whatever, [16:24] people who are listening who just I'm so [16:26] overwhelmed by this topic. I don't [16:28] understand what's going on. Like I And [16:29] also government regulation has never [16:31] fixed anything. Has anyone ever been to [16:33] the DMV? Like it's like what are we what [16:35] are we talking about? Are they really [16:37] saying an AI robot could like release a [16:39] biological terrorist weapon of some [16:41] kind? [16:42] >> So there so this is the problem with the [16:44] way Silicon Valley is is um is behaving [16:47] right now. And I'll and I'll get to the [16:48] the apocalyptic apocalyptic parts later. [16:51] But so but so essentially um the AI [16:54] companies their their cost their capital [16:57] expenditure the cost to run their [16:58] companies AI has become so trendy so [17:01] powerful it's now dominating a lot of [17:03] our industries and so the cost of [17:05] running those AI models those companies [17:07] is very very high and they're about to [17:09] IPO next year which is going to make [17:10] them all into trillionaires. So a lot of [17:13] what they're doing is what I call [17:14] carnival barking. They're circus barking [17:15] about oh my god our technology is so [17:17] powerful you've never seen anything like [17:19] this before. It's crazy because they're [17:21] trying to juke up their eventual stock [17:23] price when the IPO happens and then [17:25] they're they're going to make a lot of [17:26] money. But then the other side of it is [17:28] that the cost of running those AI models [17:30] and those infrastructure, electricity, [17:32] data centers, all of it, server server [17:34] farms is so high that they're they [17:37] actually may not be profitable in the in [17:39] the long run. Like I pay about $100 to [17:41] $150 per month to run AI, you know, [17:43] chatpt, Gemini, a bunch of other models. [17:46] Um, and people have estimated that for [17:48] one person who's paying for even the pro [17:49] level, the actual cost of the company is [17:51] something like $10,000. Again, I I could [17:54] be wrong on it, the exact number, but so [17:56] the actual cost of like, so me paying [17:57] $100 per month doesn't do anything for [17:59] them. What they want is for people to [18:01] pay them a lot more money, which is on [18:02] the enterprise side, which is on the [18:04] defense side. That's where you get the [18:06] government contract, you got billions in [18:08] your pocket, then you can say, "Oh, [18:09] yeah, we're we're making big bang. We're [18:11] making big bucks." But the problem now [18:13] is AI has gotten so powerful and has [18:15] gotten so advanced that I can I'm [18:18] running AI on my on a couple of [18:20] computers that I have here. Those that's [18:21] localized AI. I'm not paying anybody to [18:23] do it. I'm just using it to convert [18:25] documents and do other kind of things [18:26] that I don't necessarily want to pay my [18:29] advanced AI to do chat GPT and Gemini to [18:31] do. So they're already losing the plot [18:34] because you have top tier companies [18:36] around the world um countries like [18:38] France, countries like China who don't [18:40] pay chat GBT, who don't pay open AI, who [18:43] don't pay claude. And so they're trying [18:44] to to to capture that market and that's [18:46] why they're saying, "Oh, there's a huge [18:48] problem with AI. The government needs to [18:50] regulate it because one, they'll get [18:51] defense contracts out the wazu. They're [18:53] already getting defense contracts, but [18:54] they'll get even more defense contracts [18:56] when other companies are regulated." So [18:58] uh and then the other [18:59] >> Can I just jump in? So you agree with [19:01] Vance that this is like some kind of way [19:04] to get defense contracts and cuz like [19:06] it's weird for a company to be like [19:07] please regulate us more. [19:09] >> Yeah. It's it's a way to get defense [19:10] contracts and it's also a way to keep [19:12] your competitors out who are in the [19:14] open- source market. These guys are all [19:16] closed source. They're proprietary. So [19:17] think of this as if you were around for [19:19] the 90s. This is the Microsoft versus [19:21] everybody else fight. When Microsoft was [19:23] saying when everybody was saying, "Oh, [19:25] Internet Explorer and Microsoft, you [19:26] know, these guys are a monopoly." So [19:28] they're trying to essentially create a [19:29] new monopoly. And if you want to go back [19:31] even further back, AT&T like 80 years [19:33] ago told the US government that telecom [19:36] is too important to leave it to private [19:37] operators. And so the US government gave [19:39] AT&T Ma Bell as back in the day a [19:42] monopoly. And so you if you wanted a [19:44] phone in America, you could only get it [19:45] from AT&T. And that was the monopoly for [19:47] 70 years until 1984. Only AT&T was [19:50] allowed to give phones out to people. [19:52] And they made a lot of money out of [19:54] that. And so a lot of what's going on [19:56] right now is a new version of that [19:57] because these guys, the Silicon Valley [19:59] guys, understand how government works. [20:00] They understand how to how to aim for, [20:03] you know, create uh this kind of [20:04] hysteria about AI is dangerous. And [20:06] China's going to, you know, destroy us [20:08] all. And then the government says, [20:10] "Okay, well, we got to regulate it." And [20:12] so tomorrow, um Bernie Sanders and Steve [20:15] Bannon are going to have a press [20:16] conference asking the government to [20:17] regulate AI. And let me tell you, I do [20:19] not want Steve Bannon or Bernie Sanders [20:21] anywhere near anything that I do. I [20:23] don't want them regulating anything. [20:25] >> So, there couldn't be worse people to be [20:27] in it. Like, those two people are I [20:29] mean, I totally agree with that. Um, [20:31] last question for you. Again, my brain [20:33] just goes to the ending of Exmachina. [20:35] Spoiler for people who haven't seen [20:36] this. The guy creates AI robots and that [20:40] she makes it seem like she's in love [20:42] with him and they're having an emotional [20:43] relationship. In the end of the movie, [20:44] she kills all of them cuz she's a robot [20:46] and she's not emotional. She can just [20:47] imitate human emotions. Robots aren't [20:50] going to come try and kill me. [20:51] >> No. A AI is a tool like any other a [20:55] saying [20:55] >> Ashley's laughing. No, [20:57] >> saying saying AI is like saying it's [21:00] like it's like a it's like a car or it's [21:01] like it's like not even a car. It's like [21:02] a vehicle. So you could have an AI [21:04] that's like an F-35 or an F-16. Most of [21:06] us aren't going to sit inside of an [21:08] F-16. And most of us are just going to [21:10] ride our, you know, Fords, Mercedes, [21:12] BMWs, or Teslas. And so AI is just a [21:15] tool like any other. It's actually an [21:17] amazing tool that everybody should be [21:18] able to use. It's not going to destroy [21:20] all of our jobs. These people are called [21:22] doomers. That's their problem. Daario is [21:23] part of a sect in Silicon Valley called [21:26] the effect of altruists. And they [21:28] believe that if there's even a 1% chance [21:30] that AI could kill all of us, then we [21:32] have to take it as an absolute that that [21:34] is going to happen and operate from that [21:36] perspective. And then you can say [21:37] whatever you want because safety matters [21:39] over everything. And that's why this [21:41] kind of culture of you know so Dario [21:44] Amade 2019 he was working at OpenAI [21:46] which is his competitor now. He was a [21:48] chief communications officer and this [21:50] was when a product in 2019 called GPT2 [21:53] was coming out. So we have chat GPT6 [21:54] now. GPT2 this guy was saying oh it's [21:57] too dangerous to release. This is his [21:59] Carnival Barker act that he's been doing [22:01] for the last 10 years. And so this is [22:03] the next version of that. He's now way [22:05] more powerful and he's demanding that [22:07] the government step in and pay him a ton [22:09] of money so all of his competitors can [22:11] be priced out of the market. And [22:12] basically his people will have to then [22:14] create the laws and regulations because [22:16] that's what happens when when people [22:17] when the government goes to people [22:19] experts the experts are the experts from [22:20] the industry then his guys are going to [22:22] be in charge of regulating what counts [22:24] as AI what counts as frontier model he's [22:26] going to he's going to block all the all [22:28] the frontier open uh the all the open [22:30] models from being released and then you [22:32] can't have AI on your computer unless [22:34] AT&T tells you oh you're you're allowed [22:36] to have it on [22:37] >> this one's okay. Yeah. [22:38] >> Yeah. Exactly. Well, I could continue [22:41] talking about this all day, but we have [22:43] to move on. I just want to thank you so [22:45] much for coming on, taking time. I [22:47] literally texted you like last night and [22:48] I was like, "Please come on." Um, where [22:50] can everybody find you and find your [22:52] information and your Substack? [22:54] >> My sub my Substack, all of my all of my [22:57] social media is now on an you can just [22:59] look for my name on on social media. Um, [23:02] Substack, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, [23:04] all of it is is in my name. Uh, but [23:06] yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you so [23:07] much. Uh, and and yeah, love the show as [23:09] usual. So, [23:10] >> I hope to see you soon. Like I said, [23:12] we're good friends. You know, I hope to [23:13] see you, too. Okay, thank you so much. [23:15] Thank you for coming on. [23:16] >> Really quick, we have another uh guest [23:18] coming on. 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Do you have any thoughts on [24:52] this? I I I have nothing to offer anyone [24:54] but my own confusion on this one. [24:56] >> Same. I I'm also a lite. Like my husband [24:59] and every Gen Z girl I know are like, [25:01] "You need to be using chat. You need to [25:03] be using Claude." Like all this stuff. [25:05] And I'm like, "No, I I don't use it." [25:08] And I don't use it for writing, even [25:10] though some apparently Wall Street [25:11] investors and professionals do. Um, and [25:14] I've like told We just gave our [25:16] 13-year-old her first phone, and it's [25:17] like for emergencies only when mom and [25:19] dad are out of town. So I feel like [25:21] maybe my children will survi survive the [25:23] robot apocalypse because they are so [25:26] disconnected from technology that they [25:30] will be okay cuz they can do things on [25:32] their own. I don't know. Maybe maybe [25:34] that's wishful thinking. [25:35] >> I thought of like two things. One is um [25:37] there were all these stories in Arizona [25:38] about like tech companies trying to fly [25:40] drones over like rural land and they [25:42] kept getting shot out of the sky cuz [25:44] like you know ranchers are like what the [25:45] hell is that? And then I thought about [25:47] there was this thing that was like um [25:49] there was some like experiment during CO [25:50] and it was like send this robot around [25:52] the country to make friends and [25:53] basically like it lasted half a day [25:55] before like people beat the crap out of [25:57] it and it like killed it. Like they were [25:59] like not up in here. Yeah. And I'm like [26:01] I just don't think people are going to [26:02] be receptive. [26:03] >> I the other day So two things. There's [26:05] Coco. Do you guys have those in DC that [26:07] deliver like the food delivery? [26:09] >> No. Sorry. No. So, it's like a little [26:12] square robot cart that's completely [26:14] locked up and it has four wheels and it [26:16] goes around and I think that there's [26:17] actually people kind of like driving it [26:19] like a remote control car. I don't think [26:20] it's fully autonomous. Um, anyway, [26:23] they're all over [26:24] >> kind of is that? No, it's like a little [26:26] part so it takes food deliveries like [26:28] from restaurants. So, they'll park on a [26:30] main block where there's a ton of [26:31] restaurants, like in West Hollywood, for [26:33] example, and then it'll be like on [26:34] assignment or waiting assignment. And [26:36] all the cocoos have like names written [26:38] on the side of them, and my [26:40] seven-year-old will be like, "Oh, that [26:42] Coco is named Raj. That Coco is named [26:45] Mary." And I'll be like, "No, that Coco [26:47] does not have a name cuz it is a robot [26:49] and it does not have a soul." And now my [26:52] nine-year-old will repeat this. Like, I [26:54] had three extra girls going to swim [26:55] practice with us the other day and one [26:56] of them was like, "Oh, what's that [26:58] Coco's name?" name. And my [26:58] nine-year-old's like, "The Coco doesn't [27:00] have a name. It's It's a robot. It [27:02] doesn't have a soul." But even those, [27:04] like, they I don't know that the robots [27:06] are going to take over us because they [27:08] will like you could literally just like [27:10] wave your hand in front of them and they [27:11] stop. Like my three-year-old will mess [27:13] with them sometimes. And one day I felt [27:15] it was like a mix of like polarity and [27:18] sadness at the situation that LA is [27:20] right now. I saw a crazy older homeless [27:22] lady like kicking the coco cuz she was [27:25] pissed that it cut her off in traffic. [27:26] And I was like, "This is LA. This is [27:29] LA." Like a homeless, like mentally ill [27:31] person eating up a robot. This is Los [27:33] Angeles. [27:34] >> Well, I'm not going to try and give you [27:35] too much information about my life, but [27:37] my husband actually wouldn't let us use [27:38] a um baby monitor with video and he's a [27:42] libertarian. He was so paranoid about [27:44] people hacking into our house and like [27:48] >> Yeah. And he was just like, I don't want [27:49] people potentially seeing our baby. And [27:51] we got in a huge fight about it with [27:53] Liberty. And then now we like we're like [27:55] old school. we use audio like we use [27:56] like an audio one because he's so like [27:59] it was like and he won the fight [28:01] obviously but he was just like people [28:02] can spy on our children and spy on our [28:04] baby and I was like okay so I don't know [28:06] but I [28:07] >> well you're better parents than I cuz my [28:08] husband and I just went off of my ears [28:10] for the first three kids we I did not [28:12] get a baby monitor until my fourth [28:14] >> I was I did this thing the other night [28:15] for the the ona for the non-convention [28:19] convention and I was like this with the [28:21] audio I was like excuse me sorry I was [28:23] like the whole time [28:24] >> is the baby sleeping [28:26] Yes, cuz I was like, "It's just me at [28:27] the house. If he wakes up, I have to get [28:28] up." But anyway, um speaking of the last [28:31] convention, um the non-convention [28:34] convention, did you go? [28:35] >> No, I did not. I did not go. I had so [28:38] many friends and colleagues that were [28:39] there though. [28:40] >> Yeah, Ben went. A bunch of friends went. [28:42] Um I just want to play one really quick [28:45] clip to you. I know this is like sort of [28:46] a little bit old, but I swear this has a [28:48] point for right this second. And I want [28:50] to show you this clip of uh Vice [28:51] President Vance making his his speech on [28:54] Thursday night and the crowd chanting uh [28:57] 4848 uh number five please. [29:00] >> Message this November that the country [29:02] does not belong to the radicals. It does [29:04] not belong to the bureaucrats. It does [29:07] not belong to the highest bidder. This [29:09] country was handed down to us by our [29:11] parents and their parents before them. [29:13] We received this national birthright and [29:16] we are going to fight for it by electing [29:18] Republicans this November. [29:41] fight. [29:55] >> Anyway, you get the point. And they can [29:57] go on to say 4848, which would make him [29:59] the next president. Um, I took that [30:03] entire midterm convention and I was [30:04] forced to watch some of it and I [30:06] wholeheartedly say I think it was dumb. [30:09] I I keep comparing it to a fake Gucci [30:10] bag. I want the real thing. I want the [30:13] delegates. I want the nominating [30:14] process. I want the people with the [30:16] little signs. I want the first lady [30:18] speaking. I want the second lady [30:19] speaking. I want families on stage. I [30:20] want balloons with families on stage. [30:22] Like, [30:22] >> yeah, exactly. Like, there are all these [30:24] things I did not get with this [30:25] convention. And and by the way, if it [30:27] were real convention, you probably would [30:28] have been there, Alicia, you know? I'm [30:30] just saying [30:30] >> I thought it was a waste of time. A lot [30:32] of people disagree with me. What [30:34] >> it seems like an influencer like [30:37] convention, not a political convention. [30:41] And I think even some of the stuff like [30:42] listen, Trump is Trump. He has his [30:45] flaws. He has his pros. I actually was [30:48] not that wowed by his speech. Like I [30:50] kind of know the Trumpism. Sometimes he [30:51] says things and I roll my eyes and I'm [30:53] like that's just who he is. But there [30:54] was some stuff that he was saying in [30:56] that speech that I was just like why [30:58] dude? Like, why? This isn't going to [31:00] help us. [31:00] >> Are you talking about the $5,000 checks? [31:02] >> The $5,000 checks? Like, vote for us or [31:04] you're going to hell. Like, you know, I [31:06] don't care about the Republicans that [31:08] said that they don't need me. Everybody [31:09] needs me. Like, that kind of mentality [31:11] that I'm just like, it's not smart [31:14] politics to speak in that way. And like [31:18] we we're probably going to lose. Like, [31:20] we're probably going to lose. So, I feel [31:22] like it is so much about him versus the [31:24] actual conservative movement or the [31:26] Republican party going forward. And I [31:28] don't know what's going to happen after [31:30] he's, you know, done in office. Like I [31:33] don't know that he will help Republicans [31:36] going forward, including like JD. Like [31:38] he seems kind of unwilling to just [31:41] endorse JD, which is very Obama-esque of [31:44] him right now. And by the way, if you [31:46] want to join the conversation with me [31:48] and Alicia, please raise your digital [31:49] hand and Ashley will get you in on here. [31:52] We would love to talk to you. Um, I [31:55] agree with you. I also thought that my [31:57] interpretation of so much of the [31:58] convention was that it was JD Vance [32:00] accepting the nomination for 2028 [32:03] despite being nominated nor elected yet [32:05] or you know nominated yet, excuse me, [32:07] not elected. Um [32:09] >> I don't think there's any chance anyone [32:11] else runs against him. I I feel like my [32:13] friends that are not into JD Vance are [32:15] in the stages of grief right now. Most [32:17] of them are in the bartering stage. [32:18] Yeah. They're like, "Ruby, what if Rubio [32:20] does blank?" And I I feel like the [32:21] bearer of bad news, but it it helps me [32:23] to live in reality with some of this. I [32:25] just don't see it. [32:26] >> That being said, [32:28] >> Alicia, and I need you to bear with me [32:30] because I have a several different [32:31] things I want to talk to you about in [32:32] regards to this. First and foremost, [32:34] >> um JD Vance, politics aside, and how we [32:36] feel about him aside, [32:38] >> he is a somewhat untested candidate [32:40] because he only has won one election and [32:43] he had to be dragged over the finish [32:44] line with Mitch McConnell and Peter [32:45] Teal's money. It's not a good sign. [32:47] Number two, he has had a very cushy [32:50] experience in politics. Everybody loves [32:52] him. He just gets to be vice president. [32:54] I'm the king of everything. 48 48 in the [32:56] reddest of red areas of Dallas. He's [32:58] going to have to work for it as anybody [33:00] is going to have to if they want to be [33:02] president. Um and that might come as a [33:04] great shock to both him and his team. Um [33:07] going into these midterm elections, [33:09] which we think I believe is going to be [33:11] basically just a the red wedding. Um do [33:15] you I do I think we're going to have a [33:16] rough night. I've already warned Ashley [33:17] and Miranda on here that we're going to [33:18] have a rough night. By the way, would [33:20] love to have you come on if you have [33:21] time, Alicia. Yes. Um, what is your [33:24] feeling on the like Vance coronation [33:26] that already seems to be happening? [33:28] >> I don't like any type of coronation and [33:31] I'm old enough to remember like when I [33:33] was on morning radio and in podcasting [33:35] and stuff and everybody was like, why [33:37] are we coordinating Hillary Clinton? [33:38] Like, why aren't we letting the people [33:40] decide? Or, you know, the [33:41] disillusionment of Democratic friends [33:43] that were also perturbed for the same [33:45] thing because they were Bernie bros and [33:46] gals and they were like, why why aren't [33:48] we getting a chance here? Um, and I [33:50] think but more applicably, I know that [33:53] he has an inspiring childhood story. I [33:55] know that he has like this military [33:57] service and work ethic. I know that he [33:59] was very close with Charlie Kirk and is [34:01] close and supportive of Erica and [34:03] Turning Point and he could I mean, come [34:05] on, if he runs, he's going to have that [34:07] apparatus of support behind him, which [34:09] is great because of the grassroots [34:10] element, Gen Z involvement and [34:12] excitement, etc. But [34:14] >> yeah, yeah, [34:14] >> but Gen Z and social media alone can't [34:16] win campaigns. there's going to be [34:18] states where you need independent and [34:19] Democratic voters. Like that's just the [34:21] way it is. And I don't know that he has [34:23] the appeal. I I said on CNN the other [34:26] night and they were like, "You can say [34:27] that." And I was like, "I'm just Yes. [34:28] This is why I also am not famous cuz I [34:30] say what I want to say when I want to [34:31] say it." But like uh he kind of not that [34:35] not quite the ick but he has the same [34:37] problem that I think Gavin Newsome has. [34:40] Even my friends that want to pull the [34:42] lever for him find him to be [34:44] disingenuous. [34:45] like there's always this shifting of, [34:48] you know, not defending his wife, um, [34:51] saying that Tucker Carlson is his [34:52] friend, and sometimes we just disagree [34:54] with our friends, you know, I don't know [34:55] if we disagree with our friends over the [34:57] conspiracies of their wives murdering [34:59] them or not, but I don't know. I don't [35:00] have friends that think that, you know, [35:02] and he just seems very wishy-washy and [35:04] more like an online ex candidate versus [35:07] a stayed sound Republican presidential [35:10] candidate. And listen, if he gets the [35:13] coronation, I'm sure Republican donors [35:15] will come in line because the other [35:18] options are horrible. I'm sure I will I [35:20] will vote for the guy cuz my other [35:22] options are horrible. But I I do think [35:25] in that way he's a flawed candidate [35:27] because he seems very inconsistent and [35:29] willing to sail with whatever the Gen Z [35:32] bros are saying on YouTube and X. [35:35] >> Yeah. And I also think there's um [35:37] there's a lot of questions and things [35:39] that they still haven't answered. [35:41] Granted, it's this is far out, but the [35:42] clock is a ticking right now. I mean, [35:44] we're rushing up on when people are [35:46] going to start announcing soon. Um, what [35:48] I think is so interesting about Vance is [35:49] a few things. Number one, how sensitive [35:51] his supporters are of any minutia of [35:54] criticism. It's very Obama-esque of him. [35:55] And he has that nickname, Hillbilly [35:57] Obama, with his detractors right now. [35:59] And there's a part of me that's like, [36:00] you are so, how did you even get into [36:02] politics? You're this sensitive. And as [36:04] much as I do believe Turning Point is a [36:06] very important apparatus like you said [36:08] and they're very impactful, I'm going to [36:11] say something that's going to that some [36:13] people are not going to like. And I want [36:15] to say first wholeheartedly I have the [36:17] utmost respect, admiration, compassion. [36:20] I I love Erica Kirk. I think she's an [36:22] incredible person and I have gotten to [36:24] know her a little bit and I think that [36:26] she's just like I think she's an [36:28] incredible person. I think her inner [36:29] strength on top of her supernatural [36:33] strength to do what she has done. [36:35] >> Although did you see Charlie Kirk's [36:36] statue got defaced? I want to show this [36:38] really quick. Just really quick. Can you [36:40] show this picture really quick? So just [36:42] a few days after the one-year [36:43] anniversary, um this statue of him [36:45] outside the Turning Point USA [36:47] headquarters in Phoenix was vandalized [36:48] overnight. Um somebody covered in paint [36:51] and also to face the Christian message. [36:53] Police are investigating it. What in the [36:55] hell? I know. I think they're going to [36:58] find him. I mean, the security I [37:00] >> What would you do? What is going like [37:02] >> like what kind of a can I say ass hat? [37:04] Like what kind of a bitter ass hat does [37:06] this? Like these people genuinely [37:09] concern me? Like you decide to risk it [37:13] all to to deface public property and [37:15] like it's a pretty populated area. I was [37:18] just at the headquarters this spring and [37:20] the security is strong. So I think that [37:22] they must have like sused this out. They [37:24] knew maybe when um security was a little [37:27] light or when the office clearly wasn't [37:29] open and all this stuff, but guys, [37:31] you're going to get caught. Like, I [37:32] don't care what you were wearing or [37:33] whatever. There's enough cameras around [37:34] there, they will find you and they [37:36] should pay for this because it is [37:38] disgusting. I just don't know why anyone [37:40] would want to do that. I mean, I know [37:41] like there's horrible people in the [37:42] world, but like give me a break. Give me [37:45] a [ __ ] break. It's just [37:46] >> expensive. Paint's like 50 bucks a [37:48] gallon. No, [37:50] >> it's just like this gross evil. They [37:53] just it's so upsetting. I don't remember [37:55] what I was saying before I showed you [37:56] that. [37:56] >> Well, we were talking we were talking [37:58] about the impact of Turning Point [37:59] potentially on the presidential election [38:00] in 2028. [38:02] >> I like and appreciate Turning Point. I [38:04] do and I think they do a lot of amazing [38:05] events. I think that it concerns me that [38:08] they um don't seem to be doing well in [38:12] their home state of Arizona. Um, I had a [38:15] conversation with my mother this morning [38:16] when I was driving my daughter to [38:17] school. Um, and I was after I dropped [38:20] her off cuz I was swearing in the car [38:22] and I was not doing that around her. I [38:23] am so sick of losing Arizona. [38:26] >> I am so sick of Arizona being [ __ ] [38:28] blue. Alicia, it was ruby red my entire [38:32] life. And I just looked at some poll [38:34] numbers of Andy Biggs who's running for [38:35] governor and he's around 10 to 13 points [38:38] down. What are we talking about? 10 to [38:40] 13 points down. 10 to 15 points down. [38:43] What are you talking about? I don't [38:45] understand it. I don't understand it. [38:47] And also, why don't we try? And I'm [38:49] sorry to get this heated, but like I [38:51] just don't understand what we're doing. [38:52] And I know that he's a turning point [38:54] candidate, and that's fine. That's [38:55] amazing. But 10 to 13 points down is [38:58] really bad. And granted, went into the [38:59] election, it could be it could be not [39:02] four point, three points. I think it's [39:03] unlikely sometime. Yep. [39:05] >> I think it's unlikely he'll win. But I [39:07] think like with the point you're making [39:08] is that the Republican party is not a [39:11] monolith. How Trump became elected [39:13] president is he was like here's the maja [39:14] people. Here's the libertarians. Here's [39:16] the bros who are sick of being lectured [39:19] to by the left. Here's disenfranchised [39:21] Democrats. And I feel like we are [39:23] steadying back to this place of like you [39:26] can't sit with us that oh if maybe [39:28] you're a little more moderate well you [39:29] don't get to be a nominee in Arizona and [39:30] that means we'd rather have the state be [39:32] full Democrat leftist for the rest of my [39:34] life than actually win an election. And [39:36] I'm just sick of it, Alicia. Part of the [39:38] reason my husband is hesitant to have us [39:40] move home to Arizona is he's like [39:41] convinced it's going to be this like [39:44] leftist hellscape which is completely [39:47] it's I [39:48] >> am and I've been telling my friends [39:49] there like we have so many friends from [39:51] even before co we've always joked that [39:53] Phoenix is our backup city because we [39:54] have such a great community of friends [39:56] there and potential job opportunities [39:58] like if we just picked up the phone and [40:00] called love to visit. Um I don't know I [40:02] love the ocean too much to to leave [40:03] California I think for now. Um, and I'm [40:05] a kind of stay and fight kind of gal, [40:07] but my husband and I for 15 years have [40:09] joked that Phoenix is our backup city. [40:11] And for the last 5 years, I've stopped [40:13] saying that so much. And I've been [40:14] warning my friends there, you guys ain't [40:16] just going to go purple, you're going to [40:18] go fully blue. And this was pre the co [40:20] move out, right? This was pre um all of [40:24] these changes. And they're like, why? [40:26] Why? And I know enough to know that the [40:28] Republican party there on the ground has [40:30] not been solid for a very long time. and [40:32] they are tell candidates to purchase ad [40:34] buys and they don't have a grassroots [40:36] effort and it's a lot of old boomer [40:38] people that have been kicking out [40:39] millennial moms who are interested in [40:41] getting involved in the party. It's a [40:42] lot of like zero grassroots game. Zero. [40:45] And then now unfortunately and I have [40:47] some friends that are involved [40:48] politically there that are beyond [40:50] frustrated that people I mean I think [40:52] Turning Point tried to portray them as [40:56] being moderate. But when you vote very [40:58] conservative and along the lines of like [41:00] Trump and the Republican party in your [41:01] state more than 90% of the time and [41:03] you're uh pro-life, pro god, pro gun, [41:06] and pro, you know, education for for all [41:08] and getting teachers unions out of the [41:10] state and making it possible for student [41:12] vouchers and their other education [41:13] programs that they have there in Arizona [41:14] that are actually legit and good and [41:16] you're like, "Nope, they're not they're [41:18] not good enough. We got to pick somebody [41:19] else to run against them and primary [41:21] them." It is so shortsighted and it's [41:24] going to destroy I think the Republican [41:27] party if they haven't already in the [41:29] state. [41:30] >> Yeah, I I agree with you. And I also [41:32] think the thing that I don't understand [41:34] and granted like I'm not on the ground [41:36] there. I'm not like your friends who [41:38] are, you know, I don't know like the [41:39] extreme minutiae of it. I know there [41:41] were some really bad actors at play. [41:42] People I think like Kelly Ward who don't [41:44] even live in Arizona anymore from my [41:45] understanding. um you know who just want [41:47] like the most extreme candidate and it's [41:49] like very inconvenient to some people [41:51] and I'm not blaming Turning Point. I [41:53] just think that like [41:54] >> you know it's your home state and it's [41:57] like they all there's like old you know [41:59] adages about candidates that can't win [42:00] their home state in general elections [42:03] when they run for president don't [42:04] deserve to be president and I just feel [42:06] like we have to focus on putting a [42:10] candidate governor senator whatever who [42:14] are Republicans that can actually win [42:15] because I'm seeing districts everywhere [42:17] getting taken up by Democrats I'm seeing [42:19] people run for office and again I don't [42:21] know Andy Begs at [42:23] He seems like a a pleasant person, but [42:26] the people of Arizona are like, "This is [42:28] not the person for me." At least from [42:30] polling right now, and again, polling [42:31] can be wrong, but normally it's not this [42:32] wrong. Um, I think this is, and I'm [42:35] using this example because it's a micro [42:37] of a macro that I'm worried about going [42:38] in 28. [42:40] >> We don't The thing is, like you said, [42:42] you don't get to say we're the candidate [42:44] and you don't, you come to us. It's [42:46] like, you got to go to the people and [42:47] convince them. And if you think there's [42:49] only one type of person and one type of [42:51] candidate that can become president, I [42:53] just genuinely worry about like an Osaf [42:55] presidency. Please [42:58] filibuster and get upset. [42:59] >> No, I think it's it's actually pro like [43:01] likely. I think the last time I was on [43:02] it was like the day before or the [43:04] morning after the Arizona primaries and [43:05] we said then and I still consistently [43:07] believe this now that if Republicans [43:09] cannot win the Arizona this 2026 midterm [43:13] election, then a Republican presidential [43:16] candidate cannot win in 2028. Uh, [43:18] >> I don't think it's going to happen. So, [43:20] if Republicans lose Arizona, buckle up, [43:22] guys. It doesn't matter if it's Rubio, [43:24] who I'm rooting for, who ain't, you [43:25] know, going to run if JD runs. If it's [43:27] JD, if it's whoever like dream magical [43:30] Republican candidate you think of that, [43:33] you know, I don't think that we stand a [43:35] chance in 2028. [43:39] >> Really? Now, even what about if [43:41] Democrats [43:42] >> what what if Democrats run like uh you [43:45] know a AOC person? [43:48] >> I mean, she's going to run. She's [43:50] totally gearing up to run. I don't know [43:51] that she could feasibly win primaries. [43:54] Like, I don't see an AOC type winning uh [43:57] South Carolina. I think [43:59] >> Can I ask you a weird question? Um I [44:01] Well, maybe it's not a weird question. [44:02] So, I have this like [44:04] >> there's a few like bets that I have in [44:06] my life, these like long-term bets. And [44:07] one of them is that the first woman [44:09] president is going to be like a [44:10] hyperconervative like a Margaret [44:11] Thatcher. Like I think the first woman [44:13] president I do I don't know why I always [44:15] feel like it's going to be like a bad [44:17] [ __ ] conservative woman. I don't know [44:18] why given the extreme misogyny happening [44:21] in the party. I don't know. But I just [44:23] feel broad, right? And I think that the [44:26] problem with the party is that they've [44:27] lost Republican women. They've lost the [44:29] suburban mom because of the misogyny in [44:31] the party. And so like I I agree with [44:33] you. I think it would take a really [44:35] amazing [44:37] um mom slash business owner [44:39] slashpolitician with a kick-ass [44:42] conservative husband along her side to [44:45] be like, "Yeah, let's go girls." And to [44:47] get those Republican women back and then [44:49] engage independence as well. [44:51] >> Yeah. I hope that day comes, Alicia, and [44:54] you can come on and we can be excited [44:55] about it. But um AOC the thing that I [45:02] >> Americans do not like single candidates. [45:05] It's hard for them to win any kind of [45:07] elections let alone a presidential [45:08] election. It's very uncomfortable. [45:09] >> It's not misogynistic to say that [45:11] because like men goes with men. [45:14] >> Exactly. Y [45:15] >> someone who's unmarried for whatever [45:16] reason and it shows up in poll after [45:18] poll after poll. Americans are just [45:19] distrusting of someone who can't find a [45:21] part a long-term partner and get [45:22] married. Don't make the rules. I'm just [45:24] telling you what's going on. So, you [45:25] have that. She doesn't have children, [45:27] which I don't, again, I don't have a [45:29] problem with people not having a a [45:30] child. But, she's made her fertility [45:32] experience everyone's collective [45:34] experience right now, which I I think [45:36] had she written an op-ed or just simply [45:39] done an interview about it, I would have [45:40] been a lot more receptive to it. But the [45:42] the videos of her doing the shots with [45:44] her stomach at ABC's Green Room was a [45:46] lot for me. I'm just saying it was a [45:48] lot. And that's again, fine, she's doing [45:50] egg retrieval, fine whatever. I don't [45:52] want to be involved with the medical [45:53] process of it. Just write an oped, [45:56] whatever. I don't think she has a chance [45:57] in hell. And I think her personal life [45:59] alone does it. [46:00] >> No, it's a it's a good point. On top of [46:02] I go back to like when you look at the [46:04] schedule of the early Democratic states, [46:06] like the the one the states that they've [46:07] laid out in the schedule for the [46:09] primary, AOC ain't really the kind of [46:11] candidate that's going to appeal to [46:12] those diehard four or four Democratic [46:14] voters. Yeah. I don't Do you have any [46:17] like oneoff person that you do think is [46:22] I mean I think if they were smart it [46:25] would be Josh Shapiro or even like [46:28] Gretchen Whitmer even though I think [46:29] that they are both too progressive and [46:31] radical. Um but I don't think that it [46:33] will be Josh Shapiro because we already [46:34] know that he wasn't picked by Democrats [46:36] because he happens to be a Jew and [46:38] heaven forbid you show any allegiance to [46:40] people of Jew Jewish ethnicity or [46:43] pro-Israel stance. I had to go to a uh [46:46] funeral in Detroit a few months ago and [46:49] um every [46:51] >> Thank you. It's sorry [46:53] >> for Joe. Sorry for the loss and sorry [46:55] you had to go to Detroit. [46:58] >> Detroit has it. I had they had I went to [47:00] a very delicious meal there for whatever [47:01] that's worth. But every Uber driver I [47:02] had loved Gretch and Whitmer. It was [47:04] fascinating. Even like young like guy [47:07] young there was a young Indian driver I [47:08] had that was like oh big Gretch we love [47:10] her. She takes care of us. And then [47:11] there was like this old guy and he was [47:13] like we love Big Gretch. And I was like, [47:14] something's happening in Michigan that [47:15] like people love. So I I take her more [47:17] seriously just after that experience. [47:19] But I agree, she's a total radical crazy [47:21] person. I [47:21] >> I think also she she will have the [47:23] support of the unions and she can pull [47:25] the clips of her talking to Republican [47:28] politicians including President Donald [47:30] Trump and JD Vance and be like, "Look, [47:32] I'm willing to work with the other [47:33] side." And we know that like whatever [47:35] happened before, it's kind of like in [47:37] the GOP or the the Democratic primaries, [47:39] you have the candidates up on stage [47:41] being like they're the worst. Did you [47:43] look at their record? yada yada. And [47:44] they have all their talking points [47:45] memorized for their questions to go [47:46] after the candidate, you know, at the [47:48] podium next to them. But when they're [47:49] asked, will you support them in a [47:51] general, like, will you support whoever [47:52] is the nominee? Everybody raises their [47:54] hand and says yes. I feel like there's [47:57] always this changing of history that [47:59] occurs in campaigns. And I think that [48:01] Whitmer potentially has the ability to [48:03] kind of tame down the crazy for a [48:05] general election and present herself [48:07] pretty well um as a nominee. But [48:09] >> I think she's a real solid VP pick. And [48:11] I think I think my my sister in Christ [48:14] needs to lay off the Botox. I say that [48:15] respectfully. It's distracting. It [48:17] really is like she I'm just tell I'm [48:20] telling you what people probably say [48:21] when they are in polling groups. Um I [48:24] last final question on this and then we [48:25] will we will move on. Um Ted Cruz got [48:28] booed pretty badly at the UT game. He's [48:31] been floating running for president. I [48:33] think I'm the only person on the planet [48:34] that apparently still likes Senator Cruz [48:36] according to some of this. I mean, [48:37] that's not true, but I feel like there's [48:39] just so much anger at him all the time. [48:41] I don't totally get it. Um, [48:43] >> does he have a chance at running for [48:45] president? And what do you make of he [48:47] just has all these public appearances [48:48] where like bad things happen? And I [48:51] don't totally get why. [48:52] >> I think it's because he is um like our [48:56] friend Ben Shapiro, like he is so [48:58] incredibly smart. [49:00] >> Yeah. [49:00] >> But he's not very good. And Ben has [49:03] improved in this way. I've told him this [49:04] publicly and privately before. Ben is [49:06] better at reading EQ now. Ted is not. [49:09] Like he is able to sit across. He has [49:11] the ability to sit across and like get a [49:14] ton of money out of donors. Like what [49:15] was it the packs that gave him like over [49:17] $35 million before, right? Like through [49:20] um to help him run for president before. [49:22] I think that was his best shot. And I [49:23] don't think that he's going to have [49:24] another shot. And I think having engaged [49:26] with him um publicly and privately, he's [49:30] a nice guy. I agree with his policies, [49:33] but he just kind of has this inability [49:37] to um sell himself well or present [49:41] himself well. It seems like very robot [49:43] robotic and um like I don't know like [49:49] just I would say yeah there's like lack [49:50] of like emotion and empathy and that's [49:53] not going to work for a presidential [49:54] candidate because even before the [49:56] Obama's like turn the White House into [49:58] you know Hollywood of the East Coast. [50:01] People like a good-looking candidate [50:03] that is well spoken that they feel like [50:05] they could have over for family dinner [50:06] or a Sunday beer to watch the NFL with. [50:08] Like there's a celebrityesque aspect of [50:11] like we want to know like oh is their [50:12] family okay. It's I think it's why they [50:14] don't go for people who are singled and [50:15] unmarried. They want to know like oh [50:17] your family life is okay. Your home life [50:19] is okay. Also you look pretty good on [50:20] camera and I like the way that you sound [50:22] and I like what you have to say. It's [50:24] all of those things now. It's not just [50:26] the politics of it. It's the celebrity [50:28] of it as well. [50:28] >> I totally agree with that. And I also [50:30] think that I feel your pain emotional [50:32] intelligence like you said. Um there's a [50:34] article that came out um gosh I believe [50:37] in the Atlantic and it was a profile of [50:39] Mark Kelly and um who's also saying he's [50:41] gonna run for president the senator from [50:42] Arizona and in it it was notable that he [50:45] did a he did a town hall and a woman [50:47] came up to him crying and the and that [50:49] he didn't console her and it was like [50:50] noted by the journalist Mark Leovich is [50:52] the one who wrote it and um it was like [50:54] he noted like the lack of emotional [50:56] intelligence that like any other [50:57] politician would be like trying to touch [50:59] them or hug them or say I'm so sorry and [51:01] he basically like let this woman cry and [51:02] didn't do anything. And I thought that [51:04] was like a very interesting observation [51:06] that like goes to what you're saying. [51:08] >> Um, [51:10] >> we can move on from this. I want to do [51:11] this fun, juicy [ __ ] topic because I [51:14] love I love I love my husband was saying [51:17] I was watching um some YouTube shows. [51:20] Moren Callahan. I just can't get enough [51:22] of her show talking about Megan Markle. [51:24] Um Megan Markle and uh Prince Harry have [51:27] moved back to the UK. Okay, [51:30] >> it's free of them. Hooray. Yes, you're [51:32] California. [51:34] Yeah, you guys don't have them there [51:35] anymore, Alicia. Um, so they have [51:38] officially moved back to the UK and [51:40] Megan Markle is giving everyone the [51:42] first look at their new life in England. [51:44] She put a video up. Yeah, cuz they want [51:46] privacy, worldwide privacy tour. This is [51:48] a video of them. Um, it's intimate. [51:50] She's in a country life. Uh, and she it [51:53] shows her and Archie and Lilet. They're [51:55] like fishing and on a bike and uh uh [51:58] it's all happening after King Charles [52:00] came out and said that they are not [52:02] working royals. They are private [52:03] citizens. Uh internet sleuths have [52:05] already been able to find out that this [52:07] is Ian Wallace's house. It's some [52:08] billionaire. Um because again, worldwide [52:10] privacy tour, you're making it clear [52:12] exactly where you live and where you're [52:14] at. There's a heart emoji and a British [52:16] flag emoji. [52:19] >> So she liked [52:21] >> is she going to give up her US [52:22] citizenship now? Is she going to like [52:23] fully commit or we just going to keep [52:26] playing? [52:26] >> I thought you hated the UK. I thought [52:27] there were a bunch of racist [52:28] >> racist. They're all racist. [52:30] >> That made you want to kill yourself? [52:32] >> This is just Yeah. [52:33] >> Even some of my friends that were still [52:35] on the Love Megan, defend Megan [52:36] bandwagon were like, "Wait, why?" Like [52:39] if so you're telling me that your [52:40] biracial children are going to be safe [52:42] at a p at a posh private school in the [52:45] UK when you were trying to tell us about [52:47] how systemic and awful all of the racism [52:49] is over there from the royal family to [52:51] people on the street to the media and [52:53] but you're just going to throw your kids [52:55] into the lion's den instead of the [52:57] safety of like progressive California. [53:00] No. No. Nobody buys this. Yeah. What do [53:03] you think they're trying to do? cuz I [53:05] think it's really interesting that um [53:07] and people by the way have said that [53:08] they've seen her at the Soho farmhouse [53:10] in the Cotswwells which is like a bougie [53:12] area and like [53:13] >> well it's originally how they met, [53:14] right? Wasn't it the owner of the Soho [53:16] house that introduced them? [53:18] >> Is that true? I [53:19] >> that was my understanding. Yeah, cuz [53:21] they she was friends with him when she [53:23] was acting and he was also friends with [53:25] Prince Harry and that he's the one that [53:27] like introduced them at an event or said [53:29] that they should meet or something. [53:30] >> How are they going to navigate this? [53:32] Because you know, as you said, they said [53:35] that it's a hellcape, a racist hellscape [53:37] the UK. Now they're going back. My [53:39] interpretation of it is they like ran [53:40] out of money or realized that here and I [53:43] have my own story I've told on the show [53:44] 10,000 times about Harry being at a [53:47] rodeo that I was at and no one giving a [53:48] [ __ ] that he was there and everyone [53:50] being excited that the cast of [53:51] Yellowstone was there just for whatever [53:53] that's worth. No one gave a [ __ ] that he [53:54] was there. Like nobody cared like for [53:55] whatever that's worth. And I think that [53:57] um they realize that they're like dlist [53:59] celebrity that Americans don't care [54:00] about royalty. our royalty is like, you [54:02] know, football players and Beyonce. It's [54:04] like not like we don't care. Um, do you [54:07] think that they're just looking to sort [54:08] of have like go to a place where like [54:10] people will bow to them and know that [54:12] they're royal? Do you think they ran out [54:14] of money and like [54:15] >> I think they actually ran out of grace. [54:17] >> I think they ran out of grace in [54:18] Hollywood. I think I mean obviously if [54:20] you if you're not familiar with Southern [54:22] California like they were in um [54:23] Monteceto which is where like Oprah has [54:25] a place where Ellen DeGeneres, you know, [54:27] has a gorgeous home, Rob Low is out [54:29] there. like it's like an estate land um [54:33] right outside of Santa Barbara which is [54:35] like retirement goals like gorgeous part [54:37] of the state um and but typically where [54:39] people go to be more reclusive right and [54:42] that's what we were told they were going [54:43] to be more reclusive but then they kept [54:44] coming to LA which is like a 90minute [54:46] drive all the time trying to come in and [54:48] do events here and go to parties and [54:51] ingratiate themselves with the upper [54:52] echelons of Hollywood and I think that [54:55] it just kind of happened I actually [54:57] think the shift was because there's lots [54:58] of buzz and excitement about it for a [55:00] while. The shift was when it became very [55:02] clear that the Beckhams had chosen [55:04] William over Harry. Then all of [55:06] Hollywood was like, "Oh, snap." Okay. [55:08] And it was very interesting timing [55:10] because it's where you had like the [55:12] politics of it, the sports aspect of it, [55:14] and the Hollywood of it like all [55:16] together because clearly Beckham has [55:19] been able to continue his fame in [55:22] America because of his ownership of, you [55:24] know, the Miami soccer team. Messi [55:26] coming over, like Messi being pro [55:29] America. Like, I don't know. This is my [55:30] like kind of co pop culture conspiracy [55:32] on top of like what I've whispers that [55:34] I've heard from people within Hollywood, [55:35] including some that used to work for [55:37] them. Very shortlived work for them [55:38] because she's so horrible to work with. [55:41] >> That's interesting. You know, [55:42] >> I think that they actually I don't think [55:44] that they ran out of money. I think they [55:45] ran out of um people that they could use [55:48] to continue to climb the ladder of fame [55:50] and people in Hollywood were burned out [55:52] and o over them and the grace ran out. [55:55] Did you see that Martha Stewart right [55:56] before they moved back to the UK said [55:58] she went to a dinner that they were at [56:00] and that Megan Markle was just talking [56:02] [ __ ] about King Charles the whole time? [56:05] This is not me. This is Martha Stewart [56:06] saying feel free to Google it. And I was [56:08] like, she's just so tacky. She's just [56:12] the tackiest, worst ambassador for the [56:14] United States that we could possibly [56:16] have. And I just think it's hilarious [56:17] that they're like, we have our friend [56:19] Lady Sarah Elliot on who's an American [56:21] who married a Brit. And she's always [56:23] like the the British public hate them [56:26] and wholeheartedly don't want them back [56:28] here. And it's like well we as Americans [56:31] hate them and don't want them here [56:32] either. So where are they going to go [56:34] and how do you blow such goodwill? Like [56:37] everybody hates them. [56:38] >> Yeah. You would think that like it [56:39] seemed as if they could never blow the [56:41] goodwill of like super progressive [56:44] Hollywood celebrities and yet it [56:48] appeared to have happened. [56:49] >> Yeah. Well, we're gonna I any piece of [56:52] information I'm always gonna be just [56:54] >> maybe they'll end up going to Paris like [56:55] his uncle. Who knows? [56:58] >> Yeah. The the Nazi uncle, Prince George, [57:01] King George, I don't remember. Sorry. We [57:03] don't give a [ __ ] We care about our [57:04] George King George Washington. That's [57:06] the thing is I'm like I don't care. I [57:07] don't care. I mean, I do care cuz like I [57:09] like Catherine, but I don't care about [57:10] them. [57:11] >> I know. And didn't their oldest just [57:12] start at Eaton and he had the little [57:14] like tie on and the little coat tail. [57:15] It's so cute. [57:16] >> And they're giving me royalty I want. [57:18] It's like they're proper. I don't know [57:20] anything about them. She just [57:21] >> something we can aspire to be and will [57:23] never achieve. That is key. [57:24] >> Wearing the crowns like wearing the [57:26] thing quiet like it's like I I need it. [57:29] Uh okay. We're we have one question. Uh [57:31] if you don't mind uh really quick, [57:33] Alicia and then because I know we're [57:34] like running a little bit on time, but [57:36] we have Emily here. Hi Emily. [57:37] >> Oh, it's me. Hey, I didn't know that you [57:39] all were gonna call on me. [57:41] >> Oh, no problem. Emily, you have a [57:43] question for me and Alicia. [57:46] >> Okay. I was going to talk [ __ ] about JD [57:51] >> because that is a little personal for me [57:54] considering I am from and live in [57:57] Kentucky. I get the vibe that JD is [58:01] trying too hard to act like he is not [58:04] trying too hard. Like he is not [58:08] >> like like he is not for me. He is not my [58:11] politician. I am not cons I'm not a [58:13] Republican, not conservative. I get that [58:15] he has some appeal to some people, but [58:18] he kind of has in in my mind he kind of [58:22] has like the Mitt Romney like [58:24] flipflopper quality. [58:26] >> Like I [58:27] >> he was a Democrat for a long time. [58:29] >> Was he? [58:31] >> I wondered that. I was like he doesn't [58:32] seem like he has always been a [58:35] Republican. Like I just don't get that [58:37] vibe from him. Like I can tell. I don't [58:39] know what it is. I guess I have like [58:40] good like emotional intelligence but [58:43] >> he just Can I say something? I was [58:46] telling someone recently cuz to her [58:48] point which I think is important. [58:49] >> He come this hillbilly elegy hillbilly [58:52] aspect of his personality does not come [58:54] through. He comes across to me like a [58:55] tech bro. That's the problem. I know he [58:58] has this incredible backstory which we [59:00] all have heard and you know certainly [59:02] admirable and crazy. [59:03] >> He's like too polished now. It's like he [59:05] tried to he tried to like white class [59:08] himself up so much that he's forgotten [59:10] his past and that's the intriguing part [59:12] of his story. [59:14] Yeah, 100%. [59:15] >> Yeah. And also, he has Emily, just to [59:18] interject, he has real polling problems [59:20] with women. It's not just something [59:22] we're we're saying. There's like actual [59:25] data from really reputable pollsters [59:27] that I've worked with for years that [59:29] have I'm not comfortable saying the [59:31] exact results they've they've shared [59:33] with me, but he's got their issues. [59:36] There's a huge delta with female voters. [59:38] >> Yeah. [59:39] Yeah, the childless cat lady thing, like [59:43] that was not good. Like I think that [59:44] harmed him like for forever. Like I'm [59:48] not a childless cat lady. I'm a [59:50] childless dog former dog mom. Um so but [59:56] I did feel like that was kind of [59:58] attacking all women sort of in that [60:00] realm. [60:00] >> Alicia has four kids and I'm sure you [60:02] didn't love that. You know, [60:03] >> I was so [60:06] pissed off. I think that JD needs to go [60:09] to like deep trauma therapy [60:12] >> before he like runs for president. Like [60:15] for real. And I mean he his upbringing [60:18] was traumatic and awful. Like is someone [60:20] from Kentucky? Okay. I am not from that [60:23] part of Kentucky. There's like six [60:25] different Kuckies. [60:26] >> He's from Ohio. Is that wrong? [60:28] >> Well, yeah. Yeah, Ohio. But he grew he [60:30] spent summers in Eastern Kentucky, [60:33] >> which I love Eastern Kentucky. It's a [60:36] beautiful place, but whenever you hear [60:39] like the stereotypes about Kentucky, [60:42] that's what they're talking about. Like [60:44] I'm from I mean it's true and like I can [60:46] say that because I, you know, am close [60:49] to the like I'm close, you know. Um [60:52] >> there's nothing wrong with that. There [60:53] stereotypes about people from Arizona [60:55] and I hit some of those boxes. [60:57] >> Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I have heard [60:59] those too. Yeah. And I can understand [61:01] wanting to escape that. Um, but I feel [61:05] like he's like trying too hard and like [61:08] then compare him to my boyfriend Andy [61:10] Basher who is like, you know, down home, [61:15] you know. Um, you all talked about [61:17] Hillbilly Obama. My friend called Andy [61:19] Hillbilly Obama, but in a positive way. [61:22] I say he's [61:23] >> interesting if it's the two hillbilly [61:25] Obamas up against each other. [61:27] >> That is all I want. I [61:30] want is my Jandy a JD cage match. That's [61:34] all I want. [61:35] >> Alicia, anything you want to add before [61:37] we say goodbye to Emily and before we [61:38] say goodbye to the show? [61:39] >> No, Emily, I love it. Um, sorry we [61:42] surprised you. I This is like reminding [61:44] me of my old talk radio days when you [61:46] could like talk to the listeners [61:47] whenever you wanted feedback of being [61:48] like um but I think it Yeah, it's just [61:52] he has a problem with women. He he's [61:55] just 2X. I just keep going back to that. [61:57] like he's just too like the online [62:00] candidate of the it reminds me of the [62:02] John Ky ad where he's like on the um [62:06] like wind surfing and it's like going [62:08] back and forth on his issues [62:10] >> and and I think that [62:13] >> um he just it's interesting that you [62:15] compared him to Romney because their [62:17] trajectory was like an upbringing was so [62:19] very different and I think that Mitt [62:22] Romney is actually like a very decent [62:23] human being and a and a kind soul. I've [62:26] heard so many um off like behind the [62:28] scenes things that he's done for humans [62:30] and people like gold star widows and [62:31] vets and stuff like that. Um but yeah, [62:34] he does kind of have that perception of [62:36] an aloof type person [62:38] >> when I'm like like who's the real you? [62:40] Like just I don't want to see you on all [62:43] the time. Like just be normal. But also [62:46] >> shout out to Mitt Romney for bowing out [62:48] at an age appropriate time and not [62:50] making us Last Final. [62:53] We're entering on 80 days without Mitch [62:55] McConnell being seen in public. That's a [62:57] long time. [62:58] >> I think it's 92. [63:00] >> 92. Excuse me. Maybe. I thought was it [63:02] 90? Sorry. I heard something recently [63:03] and I was like I last question for you, [63:06] Alicia. [63:07] >> Yeah. [63:09] is that I just don't know what I even [63:10] know what to say anymore because I find [63:11] it and by the way before the ruthless [63:14] podcast bros have a nervous breakdown at [63:15] me specifically for pointing out that [63:18] maybe he should show that he's alive and [63:20] not or I think he's alive but you know [63:22] able to come back to the Senate where [63:24] stepped down. [63:25] >> Um [63:26] >> like it's really uncomfortable. [63:28] >> It it is uncomfortable and it's undoing [63:30] like a really strong legacy that he's [63:33] had in the state. It's like kind of um [63:37] it's kind of like let the old man be an [63:39] old man. Like hand on the baton. Like [63:42] pass it along. Coronate somebody else. [63:44] Let's um get somebody that's young and [63:46] engaged and capable of doing the job in [63:49] there because I actually am worried that [63:51] it's reached the point and I'm going to [63:53] see some good friends from Kentucky next [63:55] week. So I want to talk to them about [63:56] this cuz they're involved politically [63:57] there of being like h has he screwed [64:00] whoever is coming next? Like how are the [64:02] how are the voters of Kentucky going to [64:04] feel when he like just [64:08] >> dies and isn't seen and is still holding [64:11] a Senate seat? Like are they going to [64:12] trust another Republican to take that [64:14] spot? I don't know. [64:15] >> I just want to say one quick thing. [64:16] Wait, hold on. I want to say one quick [64:18] thing. And Emily, thank you so much. One [64:20] quick thing and then we'll say goodbye [64:22] to everybody. [64:24] >> The guy from um Oh, I didn't mean to cut [64:26] her off to leave, but thank you very [64:27] much, Emily. Um, one of the Josh Holmes [64:30] came after me and was like, I don't [64:31] remember when when Mitch McConnell was [64:33] supporting your dad when he was sick. [64:35] Anyone in Mitch McConnell land saying [64:36] anything about McCain? I was like, yes, [64:39] because my dad within 48 hours of being [64:41] diagnosed with brain cancer told the [64:43] entire world his diagnosis and what was [64:45] going on. Everyone was clear. No one [64:47] knows what the hell's going on with [64:49] Mitch McConnell. That's the difference. [64:51] Josh Holmes. Okay. Like, we're not [64:54] covering anything up. Anyway, feels like [64:57] there's a health cover up going on. [64:59] >> There's a huge health cover up going on. [65:00] And not only that, but he's taken at [65:02] this point, I think the math is close to [65:04] more than $50,000 worth of taxpayers [65:07] monies of salary and not doing work, [65:11] being alive maybe or not, or whatever at [65:14] home. So, that is the big one of the [65:17] biggest scandals of this entire year is [65:19] what's written on Emily's t-shirt is [65:21] where is Mitch McConnell? We as the [65:23] American people have a right to know. [65:25] Kuckians should be bashing down his [65:28] door. That's what I would be doing if I [65:30] live to Kentucky. [65:30] >> 92 days. [65:31] >> This is crazy. Um, and anyway, happy to [65:35] be here. Sorry I missed you, Alicia, but [65:37] I have shingles. In case you didn't [65:39] know, this is the worst. I've had them. [65:42] I had them when I ra ran a failed [65:44] congressional campaign and they were [65:45] like, this happens when people are [65:47] really super duper stressed and I was [65:49] like, I thought this was like an old [65:50] person thing. And they're like, "No, [65:52] apparently it happens with kids like in [65:54] law school and medical school all the [65:56] time." [65:56] >> What would be so stressed out about? We [65:59] >> don't know. Are you amazing? [66:01] >> She's like she's she's she's overwhelmed [66:04] with the with the politics of our [66:05] thinking that the AI [66:06] >> text me. I'll give you all the [66:07] homeopathic hacks to figure it out. [66:10] >> Yeah. [66:11] >> Miranda and Alicia, I'm so happy to see [66:13] you both. We have to pop off now. [66:14] Alicia, thank you as usual. You're one [66:16] of our favorites. We are doing this [66:17] thing now where we're basically only [66:18] having our friends on because That's [66:21] what the uh that's what our viewers and [66:23] listeners prefer. So that's what we're [66:25] doing and we're in the one of our [66:26] friends. So thank you so much for your [66:28] time today. I appreciate. [66:29] >> Bye. [66:30] >> And wait, Alicia, where can everyone [66:31] find you? [66:32] >> Oh, just online Adam Corolla Show, Abe [66:35] News Network. I'm on Instagram the most [66:36] and it's my favorite audience because [66:38] it's majority 18 to 45 year old women. [66:40] So, [66:40] >> oh, and I love your solo video that [66:42] you're doing right now. The [66:43] >> Thank you. Yeah, that's over at the Abe [66:45] News Network on YouTube. So like and [66:47] subscribe so you don't miss one. And by [66:48] the way, Adam Corolla, king, icon, [66:51] legend. I mean, I [ __ ] love Adam [66:53] Corolla. I just do. I love [66:56] I get to talk to him today. 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